I really need to get off this list can an admin do it, I dont know my
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Higgins [SMTP:chris.higgins at horizon.ie]
> Sent: 28 March 2001 15:01
> To: Alex French
> Cc: iiu at taint.org; Chris Higgins; irish linux users group
> Subject: Re: [IIU] Re: [ILUG] OT But esat unlimited has been scrapped
>>> > Chris,
> > Perhaps you're not adequately familiar with the charter or aims of the
> > ISOC. Take a minute to look at their web site.
>> Alex - you missed the point - ISOC might be ideal for Ireland, but without
> a ground-swell of community support those involved in the Irish charter
> neither have the respect or support of the community.. In the same way
> that the .ie Usenet committee has become something of a joke.. It was
> full of promise that hasn't been delivered. (No reflection on the
> members - if you'll re-read my original mail you should see the context
> in which I placed my comments on the .ie Usenet process).
>> I'm not for a minute suggesting that Ireland doesn't setup an ISOC
> I'm just saying that setting up a chapter needs to be done because we want
> an ISOC chapter..
> > As for petitions and letter, it all sounds nice in practice, but I think
>> > it's a naive view to think that the regulator gives a toss about a few
> > disgruntled netheads, I'm sorry to say. This goes way beyond that, and
> > mostly a political issue. What is needed is a body that can play in the
> > same circles where these decisions are being made.
>> Again, if you re-read my email, you'll see that I not disagreeing with
> it takes more than a petition and a letter, it takes a community of users
> up and shouting for local loop unbundling.
>> Only when you have a crowd can you start to form a representative body...
> it's people first - then body..
>> Let's not create another lifeless organisation which doesn't have
> support or interest.. It'll just be a waste of peoples time.. (Unless as I
> said earlier, the people involved are motivated by the political step up
> gives). In which case the organisation (be that an Irish ISOC chapter, or
> any other organisation) is being used as an umbrella for political
>> (The first person that suggests we need a polticial as a front to give
> 'credibility' deserves to be shot).
>> This is a democracy, and I think that it's the people on the ground,
> with 56k dialups (and slower) that should be sat in front of the reporters
> and TV cameras not another representative of an organisation that most of
> irish users have never heard about.. You run the very strong risk of
> the same in-fighting that happened with the IIA (got it right this time),
> they originally claimed to support all irish internet users, and then it
> just those that will pay the membership fee, and now it's settling into
> one of the usual 'old-boys-club' that we see far too often.
>> Oh, and thanks very much - I know what the ISOC is :)
> > Alex.
> > At 10:04 28/03/2001, Chris Higgins wrote:
> > > > Perhaps IIU, or some of its people are interested in setting up a
> > > > ISOC chapter? There is no operational Irish chapter at the moment
> > > > Gogan made a stab at setting on up a few years ago). ISOC carries
> > > > international weight, and Ireland is one of the few civilized
> > > not
> > > > to have a chapter.
> > > >
> > > > An ISOC UK rep will be in Dublin in a couple of weeks if anyone's
> > > > interested in meeting him to discuss.
> > > >
> > > > Alex.
> > --
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