Ar an 2u la de mi 10, scriobh Niall O Broin :
> It's long been established that shipping a GPL'ed piece of software WITH
> some other software does NOT bring that software under the GPL despite what
> Micro$oft would like you to believe.
As established as anything else about the GPL :-) .
> Separate works, and separate packaging, are very different things
> >  But we are distributing them with GPLed software. Now, how `based
> > on' GCC (and groff, and Emacs) is a shrink-wraped OSX cardboard box
> It's not based on GCC. Created with, certainly, but that's not a question at
GCC, groff and Emacs are in the box, on the developer CD. You don't
pay seperately for them. That developer CD isn't available
seperately. Mac OSX isn't available sans developer CD. `... as part of
a whole _which_ is a work based on the Program ...' Is that `which,'
descriptive or normative?
> > with several CDs inside? They're certainly inside the box. And a C
> > compiler is a fairly fundamental tool on a Unix system, in
> > fairndes. Hmm. Should quartz and Aqua be GPLed?
> One of the world's largest proprietary Unix vendors, Sun Microsystems,
> haven't shipped a C compiler as standard with their Unix systems for years.
True. Of course, they couldn't have done it were GCC not universally
available and convenient ... downloading & installing GCC *was* the
first thing you did with Solaris 2 , right? :-)
> You may regard a C compiler as a fundamental tool on a Unix system (as do I,
> and I was well pissed off when Sun dropped the bundled compiler when they
> brought out Solaris 2) but the operating system operates perfectly well
> without it.
Really? Given that the standard distribution form of Unix software is
a gzipped tarball of _C_ source code? How satisfactory is an OS you
can't install standard packages on? You point me towards a Posixish
system without a C compiler, and I'll show you an embedded
system. :-) .
> > Are the development tools really a seperate product from Mac OSX?
> > Were your modications to those _F_ree tools really a seperate product
> > from the thing as a whole? I don't actually know, and I'd be surprised
> > if you did.
> For what value of know ? I believe them to be completely separate, although
> interdependent things. A compiler for MacOS X is pretty useless with MacOS
> X, but the converse is not true.
It's not just the compiler, it's a range of tools, admittedly none of
them central to the OS. They are a big chunk of what makes the Unix
experience, though, and Unix was one of the selling points of Mac OSX.
> If being productive was a touchstone, this'd become a much quieter list :-)
Ehmm, yeah. Me, I prefer my pointless nattering to involve IRC :-).
`... when the elephant man broke strong men's necks, when he'd had too
many Powers, ...'
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