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> Today's Topics:
>> 1. Re: Subscription ISDN ISPs (Enda)
> 2. Back to basics - rc.local (Declan Grady)
> 3. Re: Back to basics - rc.local (Stephane Dudzinski)
> 4. Re: Back to basics - rc.local (Declan Grady)
> 5. Two Hard Drives Boot Problem (Marek Mc Gann)
> 6. PPP compression disabled for Win clients (Tom Cooper)
> 7. Re: Subscription ISDN ISPs (Gavin McCullagh)
> 8. RE: Extracting Kernel Config Info (Kenn Humborg)
> 9. ILUG] Subscription ISDN ISPs (Gerard J Keating)
> 10. VI tab spacing (Michael Turley)
> 11. Re: VI tab spacing (Padraig Brady)
> 12. Re: Re: apt-get, rawhide and mirroring (fwd) (John P. Looney)
> 13. kernel 2.5 status update (Padraig Brady)
> 14. discussion about internet law on Pat Kenny at the moment .. (Justin MacCarthy)
> 15. Re: Subscription ISDN ISPs (Niall O Broin)
> 16. Re: Re: apt-get, rawhide and mirroring (fwd) (Niall O Broin)
> 17. Possible system compromise (Niall O Broin)
> 18. Re: Back to basics - rc.local (Waider)
> 19. Re: Subscription ISDN ISPs (Waider)
> 20. Re: Possible system compromise (Niall Brady)
> 21. 60K more linux desktops? (Padraig Brady)
> 22. Re: Back to basics - rc.local (kevin lyda)
> 23. Re: Back to basics - rc.local (Declan Grady)
> 24. Re: Subscription ISDN ISPs (Declan Grady)
> 25. Re: sis 6215 (Declan Moriarty)
> 26. Re: Two Hard Drives Boot Problem (Declan Moriarty)
> 27. Re: xdm + chooser... (Declan Moriarty)
> 28. Re: Subscription ISDN ISPs (Liam Bedford)
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Subscription ISDN ISPs
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:45:43 -0000
> From: "Enda" <enda at unison.ie>
> To: <ilug at linux.ie>
> CC: "Niall O Broin" <niall at linux.ie>
> References: <20020122152642.A2669 at bagend> <20020123043711.A17472 at prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE>
>> > > 50% of the cost of a local or 1890 call. Anyone care to comment on any
> of
> > > the providers viz a viz reliability, ping times, INEX connectivity etc.
> etc.
> > > - i.e. anything you can think of which should influence my purchasing
> > > decision.
> >
> > Doesn't that 50% saving only apply to peak rate? The only other reason
> you
> > might want to go subscription is because most ISPs do not allow dual
> channel
> > on a non-subscription (Unison is the only one I know which does)
>> Unison dont admit to supporting ISDN, have never tried it personally,
> Oceanfree definately supports dual channel. Do yourself a favour if your
> going to do the dual channel, use iBod to control it
> (http://www.compound.se/ibod.html), only bring it up when the load is higher
> than the single channel's bandwidth, save you a packet on call charges.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: [ILUG] Back to basics - rc.local
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:49:06 -0000
> From: "Declan Grady" <Declan.Grady at nuvotem.com>
> To: <ilug at linux.ie>
>> Ugh .. I hate to ask such a stupid question, but what is wrong with this
>> .. at the end of my rc.local (symlinked to rc3.d/S99local and
> rc2.d/S99local) I have added 3 commands to bring up the isdn interface,
> start local nameserver, and start squid.....
>> <snip>
> # Bring up isdn interface
> . ifup ippp0
>> # Start the local Caching Nameserver
> echo Starting Local Caching Nameserver
> . ndc start
>> # Start the Squid Cache
> #
> echo Starting Squid ...
> . /usr/local/squid/bin/squid
>> <snip>
>> None of these seem to work on boot, but if I login as root and type the 3
> commands they do work !
>> Wtf ?
>> I've tried without the dot-space also, but no joy.
>> Thanks,
> Declan
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Back to basics - rc.local
> Date: 23 Jan 2002 09:45:09 +0000
> From: Stephane Dudzinski <stephane at antefacto.com>
> To: Ilug <ilug at linux.ie>
> References: <000701c1a3f3$330301a0$6400a8c0 at declanlaptop>
>> You did a chmod a+x rc.local right ?
>> On Wed, 2002-01-23 at 09:49, Declan Grady wrote:
> > None of these seem to work on boot, but if I login as root and type the 3
> > commands they do work !
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Back to basics - rc.local
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:05:23 -0000
> From: "Declan Grady" <Declan.Grady at nuvotem.com>
> To: "Ilug" <ilug at linux.ie>
> References: <000701c1a3f3$330301a0$6400a8c0 at declanlaptop> <1011779114.6615.11.camel at steph>
>> seems ok ?
>> [root at firewall rc.d]# ll rc.local
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1144 Jan 21 09:13 rc.local
>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephane Dudzinski"
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:45 AM
>> > You did a chmod a+x rc.local right ?
> >
> > On Wed, 2002-01-23 at 09:49, Declan Grady wrote:
> > > None of these seem to work on boot, but if I login as root and type the
> 3
> > > commands they do work !
> >
> [NODIS]
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: [ILUG] Two Hard Drives Boot Problem
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:08:45 -0000
> From: Marek Mc Gann <marek at dbs.edu>
> To: "'ilug at linux.ie'" <ilug at linux.ie>
>> Hi All,
>> Just inherited a wonderful new machine with 10GB and 40GB hard drives (both
> IDE).
>> Mandrake 8.1 went onto the 40GB one with no difficulty, but now neither
> Linux nor Windoze will boot (it was used to booting from the 10GB). Having a
> trawl around the web suggests that I've not got the second drive set to
> bootable (silly me), but should this be interfering with Win98 too?
>> Linux gives me that lovely welcome in a hundred languages, indicates init
> 2.78 is going to work, then hangs.
>> Windows says something about a chainloader and does the same.
>> Any help greatly appreciated,
>> Marek
> (Still a newbie)
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>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: [ILUG] PPP compression disabled for Win clients
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:19:32 +0200
> From: Tom Cooper <tommy at netsurfers.co.za>
> To: ilug at linux.ie>> Hi all,
>> I need to set up PPP from a Windows 98 client to a Linux box.
> The connection is successful, but in the logs it says
> "compression disabled by peer"
>> My /etc/conf.modules says:
> alias ppp-compress-21: bsd_comp
> alias ppp-compress-26: ppp_deflate
>> On linux boxen connecting to this machine, it sets up
> bsd compression and compresses correctly.
>> I also set up
> vj-max-slots 16
> in /etc/ppp/options.ttySxx
>> What type of braindead compression does 'bloze
> use? I need to get compression going on this
> machine, because if I ping to a Linux
> box with compresson as follows:
> ping -s 4096 192.168.1.1
> I get rtt times of +- 200ms
>> To the 'doze box I get rtt of 2000ms +
>> Anybody knows how to fix this?
>> Tom
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Subscription ISDN ISPs
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:48:55 +0000
> From: Gavin McCullagh <gavin at fiachra.ucd.ie>
> To: ilug at linux.ie> References: <20020122152642.A2669 at bagend> <"from niall"@linux.ie> <20020123043711.A17472 at prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE>
>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Smelly Pooh wrote:
>> > Doesn't that 50% saving only apply to peak rate? The only other reason you
> > might want to go subscription is because most ISPs do not allow dual channel
> > on a non-subscription (Unison is the only one I know which does)
> >
>> Apparently (according to IIU website), UTV Internet do to.
>> Gavin
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: RE: [ILUG] Extracting Kernel Config Info
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:03:12 -0000
> From: "Kenn Humborg" <kenn at bluetree.ie>
> To: "Paul Jakma" <paul at clubi.ie>
> CC: "'ILUG'" <ilug at linux.ie>
>> > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Kenn Humborg wrote:
> >
> > > As an aside, I believe the new kbuild/CML2 stuff will have the
> > > infrastructure available to implement /proc/config which would
> > > let the kernel dump out its own config.
> >
> > urggg.. i hope not:
> >
> > grep -v ^# /usr/src/configs/config-hibernia | wc -c
> > 5719
> >
> > 5KB of strings in unswappable kernel memory? urggg..
>> I'm expecting that it will be optional.
>> Later,
> Kenn
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: [ILUG] ILUG] Subscription ISDN ISPs
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:19:00 +0000
> From: Gerard J Keating <gerard.keating at fintrax.com>
> Organization: Fintrax Teo
> To: ilug at linux.ie>> Smelly Pooh wrote:
>> > Doesn't that 50% saving only apply to peak rate? The only other reason you
> > might want to go subscription is because most ISPs do not allow dual channel
> > on a non-subscription (Unison is the only one I know which does)
> >
>> UTVInternet also allow it...
>> Gerard
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: [ILUG] VI tab spacing
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:22:21 -0800 (PST)
> From: Michael Turley <samplecode at yahoo.com>
> To: ilug at linux.ie>> Silly one this - my .exrc fie comprises of one line
> which set tabstop=2 (I like smaller tab indents).
> Works lovely except that some windows based developers
> here are having issues with my irratic tab spacing
> policy which looks organised in vim but is rendered
> rather haphazardly in windows editors. Has anyone had
> this problem and what can I do to sort it out?
>> Cheers,
>> Michael
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>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] VI tab spacing
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:31:43 +0000
> From: Padraig Brady <padraig at antefacto.com>
> To: Michael Turley <samplecode at yahoo.com>
> CC: ilug at linux.ie> References: <20020123112221.11650.qmail at web9606.mail.yahoo.com>
>> Michael Turley wrote:
>> > Silly one this - my .exrc fie comprises of one line
> > which set tabstop=2 (I like smaller tab indents).
> > Works lovely except that some windows based developers
> > here are having issues with my irratic tab spacing
> > policy which looks organised in vim but is rendered
> > rather haphazardly in windows editors. Has anyone had
> > this problem and what can I do to sort it out?
> >
>> Don't leave the hard tabs in, convert to spaces
> always (because as you've noticed tabs are non
> standard :-)). You can do it globally for "messed up"
> files using expand, and also set the vi option
> (:help softtab) to do it proactively.
>> Padraig.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Re: apt-get, rawhide and mirroring (fwd)
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:39:26 +0000
> From: "John P. Looney" <john at antefacto.com>
> Reply-To: ilug at linux.ie> To: ilug at linux.ie> References: <john at antefacto.com> <20020122110115.Q2816 at antefacto.com> <20020123010040.207E710710 at stinkpad.jmason.org>
>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:00:35PM +1100, Justin Mason mentioned:
> > He's looking for contributors on a web-app frontend to really allow
> > third-party submissions. check the rpm-list archives ;)
> >
> > BTW, I'm planning to RPMize (and apt-rpm-ize) most/all of CPAN when I get
> > back to Ireland ;)
>> Ah, that'll only encourage people to use Perl...
>> Kate
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>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: [ILUG] kernel 2.5 status update
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:41:29 +0000
> From: Padraig Brady <padraig at antefacto.com>
> To: ilug at linux.ie>> This is the new site/permanent URL for
> kernel 2.5 status, that Kate mentioned
> previously. It's also just been heavily
> updated:
>>http://www.kernelnewbies.org/status/status.html>> Padraig.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: [ILUG] discussion about internet law on Pat Kenny at the moment ..
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:57:28 -0000
> From: "Justin MacCarthy" <macarthy at iol.ie>
> To: "Ilug at Linux.Ie" <ilug at linux.ie>
>> discussion about internet law on Pat Kenny at the moment ..
>> Justin
>> >
> >
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Subscription ISDN ISPs
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:05:01 +0000
> From: Niall O Broin <niall at linux.ie>
> Reply-To: ilug at linux.ie> To: ilug at linux.ie> CC: Gavin McCullagh <gavin at fiachra.ucd.ie>
> References: <20020122152642.A2669 at bagend> <"from <20020123043711.A17472 at prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> <20020123104855.B16322 at fiachra.ucd.ie>
>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Smelly Pooh wrote:
>> > Doesn't that 50% saving only apply to peak rate? The only other reason you
> > might want to go subscription is because most ISPs do not allow dual channel
> > on a non-subscription (Unison is the only one I know which does)
>> AFAIK it applies to peak and off-peak rate (saving may be slightly less
> off-peak) and anyway most of my usage is during peak rate - I work from home
> a lot. And UTV definitely allow dual channel on their call by call service,
> and I think Ocean do too.
>> Niall
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Re: apt-get, rawhide and mirroring (fwd)
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:07:45 +0000
> From: Niall O Broin <niall at linux.ie>
> Reply-To: ilug at linux.ie> To: ilug at linux.ie> References: <john at antefacto.com> <20020122110115.Q2816 at antefacto.com> <20020123010040.207E710710 at stinkpad.jmason.org> <20020123113926.E27745 at antefacto.com>
>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:39:26AM +0000, John P. Looney wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:00:35PM +1100, Justin Mason mentioned:
> > > He's looking for contributors on a web-app frontend to really allow
> > > third-party submissions. check the rpm-list archives ;)
> > >
> > > BTW, I'm planning to RPMize (and apt-rpm-ize) most/all of CPAN when I get
> > > back to Ireland ;)
> >
> > Ah, that'll only encourage people to use Perl...
>> And this would be bad how ? :-)
>> Niall
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: [ILUG] Possible system compromise
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:05:52 +0000
> From: Niall O Broin <niall at linux.ie>
> Reply-To: ilug at linux.ie> To: ilug at linux.ie>> I had a problem this morning with a box running SuSE 6.4. It's in a
> company's DMZ and for some reason it was rebooted and networking did not
> start properly. Investigation (of the remote controlled person kind, given
> that the machine was off the air) eventually revealed that the network start
> script /etc/rc.d/init.d/network was not the correct SuSE script but rather
> was a RedHat version.
>> This is obviously a little strange and none of those invloved in managing
> the machine know anything about it so I'm wondering could it be part of some
> rootkit or other. It sounds a very strange to me for a rootkit to do i.e. to
> modify a script which won't be run for a long time but maybe it's a way of
> ensuring that whatever backdoors might have been installed stay installed
> but OTOH it does sound like a typical rootkit behaviour i.e. to assume that
> the box being cracked is running RH. Does the behaviour I described ring a
> bell with anybody ?
>> Niall
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Back to basics - rc.local
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:11:52 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Waider <waider at dspsrv.com>
> To: Declan Grady <Declan.Grady at nuvotem.com>
> CC: ilug at linux.ie>> According to Declan Grady:
> > . ifup ippp0
> > . ndc start
> > . /usr/local/squid/bin/squid
>> 1. Those dots are there why?
> 2. try sh xv on each command to see what it's at
>> Waider. 3. >/tmp/logfile 2>&1
> --
>waider at dspsrv.com / Chances are I'm not at home right now.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Subscription ISDN ISPs
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:14:41 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Waider <waider at dspsrv.com>
> To: Enda <enda at unison.ie>
> CC: ilug at linux.ie, Niall O Broin <niall at linux.ie>
>> According to Enda:
> > Unison dont admit to supporting ISDN, have never tried it personally,
> > Oceanfree definately supports dual channel. Do yourself a favour if your
> > going to do the dual channel, use iBod to control it
> > (http://www.compound.se/ibod.html), only bring it up when the load is higher
> > than the single channel's bandwidth, save you a packet on call charges.
>> Hmm. Most of the ISDN toys I've played with (not many, admitedly) have AT
> commands to manage this for you. For instance, my Hayes Accura has AT%P
> frobs that allow you to define various thresholds such as 'don't kick
> the second line if I'm only hitting peaks intermittently'.
>> Re: providers, elive (based in Limerick, evidently, but with a Dublin POP,
> and kicking their data via uu.net) have served me quite well since I
> discovered them. Dual channel, free access, almost zero contention. Of
> course, now that I've told you all, I'm sure the latter will change...
> No 1891 number as yet, but that's what I get for using a free dialup,
> I guess.
>> Waider.
> --
>waider at dspsrv.com / Chances are I'm not at home right now.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Possible system compromise
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:19:08 +0000
> From: Niall Brady <bradyn at maths.tcd.ie>
> To: ilug at linux.ie>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:05:52 GMT, Niall O Broin said:
> >
> <snippity>
> >rootkit or other. It sounds a very strange to me for a rootkit to do i.e. to
>> Only thing I've seen around the gaff recently (came across a
> compromised machine) was the adore rootkit... changes ps and a few
> other things... haven't heard of any rootkit that touches network
> script though...
>> Dunno, do the usual stuff... strings on swap (see if any weird
> source code turns up), passwd files, dates of binaries etc. etc.
>> --
> Niall
>> PS actually bothered my ass googling, and got
>>http://www.mycert.mimos.my/advisory/MA26.htm>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: [ILUG] 60K more linux desktops?
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:25:56 +0000
> From: Padraig Brady <padraig at antefacto.com>
> To: ilug at linux.ie>> The UK police are investigating moving to linux.
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23778.html> I'd be surprised seeing how close M$ are to the UK
> government, but fingers crossed.
>> Padraig.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Back to basics - rc.local
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:14:12 +0000
> From: kevin lyda <kevin at suberic.net>
> To: Declan Grady <Declan.Grady at nuvotem.com>
> CC: ilug at linux.ie> References: <000701c1a3f3$330301a0$6400a8c0 at declanlaptop>
>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 09:49:06AM -0000, Declan Grady wrote:
> > <snip>
> > # Bring up isdn interface
> > . ifup ippp0
>> what's with the . in front of each command?
>> kevin
>> --
>kevin at suberic.net buffy: come on, can't you put your foot down?!
> fork()'ed on 37058400 giles: it *is* down.
> meatspace place: orbit buffy: one of these days you're going to have to
>http://suberic.net/~kevin get a grown up car. --inca mummy girl
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Back to basics - rc.local
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:32:38 -0000
> From: "Declan Grady" <Declan.Grady at nuvotem.com>
> To: <ilug at linux.ie>
> References: <E16TMFs-0008P0-00 at dspsrv.com>
>> Okie Dokie .. Problem solved.
>> Simple really, just removed the dots and hey presto.
>> Thanks for all the replies.
>> Declan
>> [NODIS]
>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Waider" <waider at dspsrv.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Back to basics - rc.local
>> > According to Declan Grady:
> > > . ifup ippp0
> > > . ndc start
> > > . /usr/local/squid/bin/squid
> >
> > 1. Those dots are there why?
> > 2. try sh xv on each command to see what it's at
> >
> > Waider. 3. >/tmp/logfile 2>&1
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Subscription ISDN ISPs
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:37:55 -0000
> From: "Declan Grady" <Declan.Grady at nuvotem.com>
> To: <ilug at linux.ie>
> References: <20020122152642.A2669 at bagend> <"from <20020123043711.A17472 at prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> <20020123104855.B16322 at fiachra.ucd.ie> <20020123110501.A2059 at bagend>
>> Kinda OT, but I was using 128K on UTV Internet, but it kept hanging up after
> 60 seconds.
> I though it was my config, but after trying all possible settings, I gave
> up.
> Then, for a few days wouldnt connect at all, so I gave up and went to
> eircom, but only 64K :(
> At least it doesnt hang up on me, and doesnt take 120 calls before answering
> !!!
>> Mabye I should give UTV another go .. anyone had same problem(s) ?
>> Cheers,
>> Declan Grady
> Technical Manager
>> Nuvotem
> Crolly, Letterkenny, Co. Donegal, Ireland
> Tel ++353 75 48666
> Fax ++353 75 48139
>http://www.nuvotem.com>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Niall O Broin" <niall at linux.ie>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:05 AM
>> > AFAIK it applies to peak and off-peak rate (saving may be slightly less
> > off-peak) and anyway most of my usage is during peak rate - I work from
> home
> > a lot. And UTV definitely allow dual channel on their call by call
> service,
> > and I think Ocean do too.
> >
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] sis 6215
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:06:21 +0000
> From: Declan Moriarty <declan.moriarty at ntlworld.ie>
> To: "Uday" <uday at accord.co.in>
> CC: ilug at linux.ie> References: <NFBBLHPBCLKGLFBFOEGLCEEICAAA.uday at accord.co.in>
>> Was it Uday who wrote on Tuesday 15 January 2002 07:34:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have loaded RH Linux on my PC which has SiS6215 display adapter which Iam
> > unable to configure for XWindows. Do you have the driver or patch or any
> > other solution to configure it?
> >
> Sorry for the slow response - I had an outage, and am wading through 395
> emails in this box alone :-/
>> I have a SiS 6326 based video running Linux. The problem, AFAIK, is that the
> first 16 (universal) modes which are AWOL or wrong from these cards. It's
> incredibly galling, and basically impossible. At the install boot prompt, try
> typing
>> text expert
>> I got installs a bit at a time from a text install. Once I had to give up
> totally, and put the hard disk in another pc and install the system on that.
> Go all the way down to lilo, then switch offbefore running lilo. You can then
> rescue the install by typing "text rescue" with the hd back in the original
> system. Repeat the install and install nothing in the doubtful pc. You'll run
> through the config script again.
> I have a system running here still with SiS chips, and I can give you
> XF86Config, etc. I had to hack the modelines personally, fiddling figures to
> make it work, but work it does.
>> --
> Regards,
>> Declan Moriarty
>> Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius
>> A Slightly Serious(TM) Company
>> Experience is like a comb,
> that Life gives you - AFTER all your hair has fallen out!
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Two Hard Drives Boot Problem
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:27:18 +0000
> From: Declan Moriarty <declan.moriarty at ntlworld.ie>
> To: Marek Mc Gann <marek at dbs.edu>
> CC: ilug at linux.ie> References: <D1859C43DD8BD511BB5700508B9B1B8F0526B1 at DBS_MAILSERVER>
>> Was it Marek Mc Gann who wrote on Wednesday 23 January 2002 10:08:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Just inherited a wonderful new machine with 10GB and 40GB hard drives (both
> > IDE).
> >
> > Mandrake 8.1 went onto the 40GB one with no difficulty, but now neither
> > Linux nor Windoze will boot (it was used to booting from the 10GB). Having
> > a trawl around the web suggests that I've not got the second drive set to
> > bootable (silly me), but should this be interfering with Win98 too?
> >
> > Linux gives me that lovely welcome in a hundred languages, indicates init
> > 2.78 is going to work, then hangs.
> >
> > Windows says something about a chainloader and does the same.
> >
> > Any help greatly appreciated,
>> You need to save your a**?
>http://www.toms.net/rb>> There is a floppy linux distro that builds under Dos, or linux. You can boot
> on it, login as root, and pasword xxxx. It has all the rescue material you
> want. A few things you need to know:
>> To mount a dos/vfat partition
> # insmod dmsdos
> # mount -t msdos /dev/whatsit /mnt
>> It has fdisk to set things up, and you can mark the disk as bootable with it.
> Be aware that hdx1-4 are primary partitions, and hdx5-> are logical drives in
> the extended partition. AFAIK, it doesn't matter as long as the first
> recognized partition is primary and bootable - lilo starts you from anywhere,
> primary or extended, bootable or not.
>> Ideally, mount the linux disk on /mnt, and the dos one on the appropiate
> poing in the tree. You can then chroot to /mnt and run lilo. To get out of
> that, type exit (I think)
>> >
> > Marek
> > (Still a newbie)
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> > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by
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> >
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>> --
> Regards,
>> Declan Moriarty
>> Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius
>> A Slightly Serious(TM) Company
>> Experience is like a comb,
> that Life gives you - AFTER all your hair has fallen out!
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] xdm + chooser...
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:38:18 +0000
> From: Declan Moriarty <declan.moriarty at ntlworld.ie>
> To: kevin lyda <kevin at suberic.net>, irish linux users group <ilug at linux.ie>
> References: <20020118223845.E17742 at suberic.net>
>> On Friday 18 January 2002 22:38, kevin lyda wrote:
> > how do i get the chooser to run on a local xdm managed display? i can't
> > convince xdm to do it. anyone do this?
> >
> > kevin
>> Do you mean a choice of Interfaces (kde, gnome, xfce, etc)? I yelled about
> this and Mandrake wrote me a python script to do it, based on the files in
> /etc/X11/wmsession.d. I screwed this out of them by copying and pasting the
> glowing promises in their 'welcome' email to the crashtesters list, and
> getting a particular programmer's back up.
> [root at genius /root]# ls -l /etc/X11/wmsession.d
> total 24
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 117 Apr 18 2001 01KDE
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 129 Apr 13 2001 02gnome
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 133 Apr 9 2001 04Enlightenment
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 179 Nov 14 2000 05blackbox
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 143 Apr 11 2001 07IceWM
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 136 Mar 24 2001 08Sawfish
> Have you got those?
> It's called xtart, and boots any of those, and is now quite popular in the
> distribution. I only have the edition with personal abuse of me in it, which
> I can forward if you wish.
>> --
> Regards,
>> Declan Moriarty
>> Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius
>> A Slightly Serious(TM) Company
>> Experience is like a comb,
> that Life gives you - AFTER all your hair has fallen out!
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Subscription ISDN ISPs
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:53:09 +0000
> From: Liam Bedford <lbedford at lbedford.org>
> To: ilug at linux.ie> CC: Niall O Broin <niall at linux.ie>, Gavin McCullagh <gavin at fiachra.ucd.ie>
> References: <20020122152642.A2669 at bagend> <20020123043711.A17472 at prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> <20020123104855.B16322 at fiachra.ucd.ie> <20020123110501.A2059 at bagend>
>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:05:01AM +0000, Niall O Broin came forth with:
> > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Smelly Pooh wrote:
> >
> > > Doesn't that 50% saving only apply to peak rate? The only other reason you
> > > might want to go subscription is because most ISPs do not allow dual channel
> > > on a non-subscription (Unison is the only one I know which does)
> >
> > AFAIK it applies to peak and off-peak rate (saving may be slightly less
> > off-peak) and anyway most of my usage is during peak rate - I work from home
> I've had this argument with lots of people... AFAIK, ringing
> 1891 makes peak units 7.5 mins, and off-peak units 15 mins. Or at least
> that's the way it used to work until they brought in their wacky by the
> second call charges...
>> So off-peak it makes no difference, and on peak it drops the price a lot
> (7.5 mins as opposed to 3, or using 2 units in 15 mins as opposed to 5).
>> L.
> --
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> www.lbedford.org | wings but I will fly just a little too far because that's
> | where you are and I won't bring you down, believe in me
> | Spiritualized - Don't just do something
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