[ILUG] Mother and Father.

[Mel]

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Brian O'Donoghue wrote:

> Give it up.. I have gotten at least two devices to work in this fashion...

This is hardly a groundbreaking accomplishment. It's nice sure, but if I
was an employer, I wouldn't list it as a hiring point

> now according to some on this list there is no more skill in this then a 14
> year old installing mandrake on daddy's PC

Well, it takes a bit more but it's still just following the instructions
on a howto. It's time consuming. Succeeding at it is a great step, but
it's a long way from making you an expert.

> [You've listed your most significant accomplishment as "getting a
> winmodem working in Linux".]
>
> No actually I did write a small kernel module a while back...

whoopee, so did I. It took me a bit under 2 minutes, but that included
booting uml to run it

#include <linux/module.h>
int init_module(void) { printk("<1>Module loaded"); return 0; }
int cleanup_module(void) { printk("<1>Module unloaded"); return 0; }

Here is it running in UML

usermode:/modules# ls
usermode:/modules# insmod template.o
Module loaded
usermode:/modules# lsmod
Module                  Size  Used by
template                 344   0  (unused)
usermode:/modules# rmmod template
Module unloaded


This does not make me a kernel hacker unfortunatly. It also doesn't show
if I know jack shit about kernel internals.

> in fact I had never even had any formal programming classes when I did
> that one... but I suppose you will be particularly underwhelmed with
> that one too eh or simply say no you didn't... or whatever suits you
> hmm?
>

I think you have a seriously elevated view of your course. I know from
experience that graduating from a CS course doesn't make you a great
programmer and teaches you nothing at all about system administration.
Completing a CS course gives you a framework to use. Apparently, you
consider this framework to be comprehensive when it's really full of
holes that experience in the Real World fills in

You don't want to admit that and instead yap at people you don't want to
admit know more than you do. One that springs to mind is telling one of
the people responsible for much of the Linux to Vax port that he needed to
grow his Unix beard. Other examples include insulting people who have a
track record of been helpful and comprehensive with their information
(including your postings) where as your track record indicates been
unhelpful, rude and extremly defensive even when you were the original
poster. There is a few examples of threads that go like

1. BoD posts asking for input on something
2. Various people respond
3. BoD responds attacking the respnses often concluded the posters are
arseholes with a superiourity complex

> I'm off to do some work now ok?
>

I'm sure it's stellar work.

-- 
Mel Gorman
MSc Student, University of Limerick
http://www.csn.ul.ie/~mel