Great, the problem is no security system can be perfect.
Quoting Brian O'Donoghue (Brian.ODonoghue at kbs.ie):
> Hmm that said.
>> The 'security guy' who came in to inspect our 'security issues' pronounced
> my firewalling and mail server security... to be perfect... especially as I
> drop connections instead of resetting them... and only found fault in the
> server and client software I don't have responsibility for...
> so even though I'm one of the unwashed developer/sysadmin types as opposed
> to sysadmin/developer... I seem capable of building a decent firewall.
>>> [As Kate has pointed out, not all of us
> ex-employees have such a high opinion of the staff there as you
> seem to. However, really this isn't relevent, nobody's questioning
> whether you have written programs or installed drivers. Nobody
> doubts that modifying files has worked for you in the past. Many of
> us don't doubt this because we have done the same in the past.]
>> What no most were muppets... but I did learn a hell of alot about hardware
> and operating systems... most of the reps had the knowledge to fix the
> systems they were presented with... but the management ran an unofficial
> policy that after 15 minutes a call had gone on too long and a machine
> should be formatted.... which fortunately I did not have to do for various
> reasons... most of those reasons centered around actually doing the job and
> actually fixing the system if I could... but I will be the first to admit
> that losts of people were more than prepared to format a system because it
> was Tuesday... and on Tuesdays... they liked to format end users... <shrug>
>>> [Nobody was saying that you didn't have the ability to do things manually
> we were just pointing out that if you want to maintain a production
> system you should probably not try to do everything by hand as
> it'll lead to a nightmare of a system later on.]
>> But if we use this as a premis... Debian is NOT a shining example of not
> editing configuration scripts by hand thus from Colm who proports to use
> Debian... this is much like the pot and the kettle... compare Debian 2.2_r2
> and Slackware 7.1 for editing configuration scripts by hand... I think it
> may be quite inconvienent for people to find that for example running setup
> on S... at least not back in 2.2_r2 and I doubt things have changed 'that
> much' since.. and if they have then Debian sounds inconsistent.
>>> [Finally, I beleive that you are alone in thinking Colm should
> implement hard and fast rules about how people should quote their
> emails. I'd wager that everyone else on the list is quite happy
> with the guidelines and gentle nudging system that we use at the
>>http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/spanish/82/fags.gif>> I have no problem changing my quoting style, but people sometimes have a
> habit of 'asking' in a quite forceful way.. though for a lady I'd do
> anything... consider the formatting changed.
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