I knew there was some catch / brown paper involved :-) Is there any way a
separate organisation from the ILUG but comprising of ILUG members can get
cheaper access (would we not all qualify for corporate rates?). Just another
mad idea I had while in the pub after the AGM.
>From: ilug-admin at linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin at linux.ie]On Behalf Of Paul
>Sent: 23 June 2002 22:46
>To: ilug at linux.ie>Subject: Re: [ILUG] Cheaper ADSL for enterprising ILUG members then?
>>>Niall O Broin wrote:
>>>What happens if 24 luggers get together in an area that is know
>to have ADSL
>>>and buy or rent the 24 ports from Eircom.
>> Interesting though but there's a small problem or two:
>>There's lots more than that :-(
>>> I'd be astonished is there's anyone exchange in the country to
>which 24 ILUG
>> members are connected.
>>Lets assume for a minute that there is.
>>> If I were astonished, I'd be flabbergasted if those 24 all
>wanted to pay 50+
>> EUR / month for ADSL.
>>Odds are good, so I'll let that one slide too.
>>> AFAIK you'd have to a registered/certified/whatever OLO to do
>this. I'm sure
>> this would require a level of capitalisation above and beyond
>ILUG's 2K EUR
>> and besides, the treasurer wants to spend that on beer :-)
>>Yup. That's one of the nasty ones. You have to fill a brown paper
>envelope with 12,500 euro for the ODTR in order to become a Licensed
>Telecoms Operator. Without that license, Eircom can and will refuse to
>talk to you.
>>With the license in hand, you have to start worrying about what Eircom
>/doesn't/ give you with the wholesale bitstream offering. For each line
>hooked up, they'll charge you 350 euro up front. They charge effectively
>49 euro a month for a 512k line, 79 euro for a 1Mbit line (it's not
>priced quite like that but that's what it works out as so long as you
>have all your ports full). Those euros don't get you an internet
>connection, as you would expect from BT's wholesale DSL. They only get
>you a bitstream link to one of Eircom's "Concentration Camps" each of
>which have maybe a dozen exchanges connected to them. It's your
>responsibility to run some sort of link into the concentration camp.
>It's your responsibility to organize peering, tech support, and any of
>the other goodies.
>>Oh, one other thing. For every allocation of 24 1Mbit ports, Eircom give
>you a 1Mbit link back to the concentration point. No more.
>>All prices are excluding VAT of course.
>>You might be better off looking at a fully unbundled local loop. It's
>still horribly expensive but at least you're in control of the situation
>and you can run 2Mbit DSL or long-reach IDSL/RADSL if you have the kit
>to do it.
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