[ILUG] Galeon and gnome

[David Neary]

Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting David Neary (bolsh at gimp.org):
> > Rick Moen wrote:
> >> It lies like a cheap toupee.
> > 
> > Only if you don't consider "requires GNOME" as valid shorthand
> > for "requires <lots of stuff> "
> 
> Yes, the libs list for Galeon is pretty horrendous.  But you seem to 
> be going to some lengths to miss my point, which is that "running GNOME",
> as Niall intends the term, isn't required.

Ah. If that was your point, I did indeed. miss it. I understood
that Niall wanted to know (a) whether the installation of GNOME
was required to run GNOME, and (b) whether that implied running
the GNOME environment (within gnome-session, with stuff like
gnome-panel running). The answer to (a) is yes, and the answer to
(b) is no. I understood that you were confusing "requires GNOME"
and "requires that the user runs gnome-session with a gnome-aware
window manager", which would generally be abbreviated to
"requires running GNOME".

> In fact, largely my point is that the terms "running GNOME" and "running
> KDE" are illusory concepts that stand in the way of understanding the
> fundamental situation.

I don't think so. I think the phrases "running GNOME" and
"running KDE" have value as shorthand for what they mean. and
"requiring GNOME" or "requiring KDE" have value as shorthand for
what they mean, namely requiring the implied libraries, of which
there are many.

> Excuse me, no. 
> 
> The list of libs dependencies for Galeon is ridiculously long, but
> nonetheless doesn't equate to installing (or "running") GNOME.  It means
> installing a bunch of libs and some glue code.  Compare that against the
> entire marching band that is GNOME, at ftp://ftp.gnome.org/ and
> elsewhere.  Big difference.

Most people would not consider everything on ftp.gnome.org as
part of GNOME (a few examples - gimp, gnome-games, galeon). What
*I* consider to be GNOME would be best defined by "gnome-session,
and all it's dependencies". Everything else is an add-on. As
such, I don't consider it a gross overstatement to say that
installing GNOME is required for galeon. Not exactly the same,
but not exactly a lie either.

Dave.

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       David Neary,
    Marseille, France
  E-Mail: bolsh at gimp.org