[ILUG] java compiler

[Ciaran Johnston]

yep yep said:
>
> Right Eric im starting from the premise that you have never programmed
> before ,so if u havent
> listen dont go near eclipse its to hard , its for serious programming im
> in  second year and we are still
> using a jumped up text editor so dont touch Eclipse its for later on ,
> ohh  and for the people who suggested
> Eclipse "I just started studying computer science this school year"
> would  give u a clue that more then likely Eric
> is not up to A full on IDE like Eclipse . Hes trying to LEARN how to
> program  not how to drag and drop!!!!</rant>

Oh dear, a closing tag with no opening tag.

But I completely agree with the general philosophy here. If you really
want to learn Java (or any language) rather than learning an IDE, use a
text editor and the command line. Follow the tutorials at java.sun.com and
other places, get a decent book, start small and work up. Using an IDE
means you are learning the IDE, not the language. There are plenty of text
editors out there with decent Java syntax highlighting (JEdit is quite
good, I hear).

As someone else mentioned in this thread, GUI builders are for wimps! But,
more seriously, they tend to tie you to an IDE if you start using them.
Try tidying up / manually debugging generated code and then seeing if you
can still use the GUI builder. Try opening a generated file from one IDE
in another IDE's GUI builder. If you want GUIs, you're better off biting
the bullet and figuring out how they work. It may be hard initially but
any project will be a lot easier to debug in the future.

My 2c

/Ciaran