[ILUG] Help with nVidia drivers install FC2

[Bryan O'Donoghue]

> I'm actually a little worried about you Bryan.
> 
> But this is taking up to much of my precious time.
> 
> I'm not going to killfile you. You're probably an ok guy.
> 
> I'm going to unsubscribe instead.



Funny that Dermot, becuase.

I'm not the person who is having a personal go at you, however, I've not used 
profanity in deference to you, nor have I made any allusions (based on fact or 
not) to your skills.

If you had read the thread, and you seemed to suggest you hadn't, but, unlike 
yourself and Paul I'll not call 'bullshit' since I can't prove otherwise, you'd 
realise that we were talking about the availabilty of a graphics card in 
Tralee, with an Open source driver.. and whether I not _I_ had sufficiently 
satisifed _Paul_ that I'd looked for a card, before buying a card with a closed 
source driver. Essentially that's what the ... discussion was about.

As opposed to what you complained about _the quality of my technical advice_.

Just for clarity "you didn't look hard enough for a graphics driver " == Paul's 
reasoning for "calling bullshit", "I think you're technical advice is poor" == 
Dermot's reasoning for calling bullshit.. you are both perfectly entitled to 
your opinions.. however..

To quote you:

 >In fact I suspect that poor advice was what kicked off the recent
 >nvidia conflagration.

Would indicate that you "hadn't" in the least read the thread... because 
ostensibly the *entire* thing move from some sort of accusation by Paul, to a 
theoretical discussion of what sort of propiatery code was acceptable in the 
Linux paradigm.

I'd really personally love it, if the list (could) remain on a technical 
footing.. but, quite frequently, it seems to get dragged a long, long way away 
from that, into some kind of senseless personal crap.

Fortunately I'm a big boy and I've been using Linux for a while, so a few 
trolls in the woodwork flaming me occasionally .. I can just about handle... 
but, if I was some 15 year old kid, who was new to Linux (we had one here 
recently.. who got shot down with ignomy, for the _crime_ of being different 
from the inbred ILUG troll, and I suspect *won't* come back here, because of 
it)... the kind of treatment I suspect he/she/they would eventually incur 
around here, would _not_ be conducive to speading Linux... a goal we're _all_ 
supposed to share.

To be honest the LUG is about the last place I'd point a newbie becuase of 
it... I'd be afraid about, what might happen to the uninitiated... or perhaps 
someone who would not be perpaired for an essentially foundationless tirade, as 
is the result .. frequently on the LUG. Stupid semantic arguments that 
completely _ruin_ the entire thing. I personally won't be bullied by it and you 
can deny it as much as you like, but, it exists and it _diminishes_ the lits's 
effectiveness. For this reason, I think the list should be moderated, but, 
obviously.. that would take all the fun out of it, for the trolls. So I think 
it would be quicker.. to simply put up a "go away" sign on the main page... it 
would certianly be more _honest_ about the treatement a newbie will get around 
here.

Honestly, if you want to leave the list, because you incorrectly asserted the 
context of the pervious thread, leading me to say (paraphrasing) "you mustn't 
have read it" then I can't stop you.

I would personally say again, that if I were younger, or perhaps less 
experienced at the sort of unchecked and quite infintile abuse regularly given 
out in internet places... that the treatment I have gotten recently from Paul 
and yourself would turn me running away from the "community" which surrounds Linux.

Fortunately I enjoy the technical aspects ... but, as a technical list, I think 
_this_ LUG, has too many people who are here much too long, and are much too 
hostile to those who they don't personally know and are thus intolerant and 
frequently jump to conclusions... as if asserting some sort of ludicrous 
territorality.. which is in _complete_ contravention to any pretence as a 
'technical' list... and it _sure as hell_ won't help newbies nor will it help 
in any meaningful sense the uptake of Linux.

That's _my_ opinion... that's why.. while there maybe lots of skillful people 
on ILUG the troll factor essentially reduces the nexus of talent factor 
'frequently' to nil.

If your choice is to 'sulk'... then that is your choice, but, please, don't try 
to use me as an excuse.

-- 
Bryan O'Donoghue
Embedded Software Engineer

Europlex Technologies Ltd
Clonshaugh Business & Technology Park
Dublin 17
Ireland

T:+353 (0) 1 2500500
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E:bryano at europlex.ie
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