Fair comments - but as companies start outsourcing recruitment to
agencies more and more - and agencies know less and less about what jobs
actually entail, perhaps it's good to have a bunch of standards and some
sort of equivalency system or higherarchical method of comparison of
these many standards.
For example, I was looked poorly on by a number of agencies who had
job-specs that _required_ an MSCE - which I do not have. Despite the
fact that I have been dealing with M$ operating systems in various roles
since DOS 2.10, they felt I was not able to do this, for lack of an MSCE.
Likewise, in my current role one of my colleagues recently turned
around to me after a somewhat indepth discussion of RedHat internals and
said, "But you have an RHCE, no?" I don't - but it doesn't mean I don't
have a reasonably thorough knowledge of the various RH releases, having
used them since RH 3.0 (IIRC) (I was flattered that
Having been recently through the work looking for a new job (due to a
previous contract coming to a close), I must admit I was quite miffed to
see Baud/Stewie looking for someone with 5 years PHP experience on IRC
yesterday. Should that rule out someone who's been developing code for
10 years in various languages but has only started using PHP in anger
for the past 12 months? I, personally, would prefer someone with that
history rather than the applicant who had been doing nothing but PHP for
the past 5 years. I've done quite a bit of technical training for
various companies and I always feel that if someone understands the
*logic* of a programming language, I can teach them the *syntax* within
So always be suspicious of job role requirements, and with things like
the ECDL - always mark it as "ECDL or equivalent required" or some such
thing. Otherwise I guarantee you that some day you or I or some ILUG'er
will be turned down for a job because we don't have an ECDL and the
recruitment agency doesn't know that an RHCE is not only equivalent but
more in depth...
And thus ends my Thursday rant - now back to C / SQL / PERL / Linux
Kae Verens wrote:
>Conor_D_Wynne at Dell.com wrote:
>>>> You might not like it - I don't either - but nonetheless it is a
>>> qualification widely recognised by employers, and at least lets them
>>> know that their prospective employees have a certain level of
>>>>>> I would be seriously embarrassed to have that on my CV.
>> To be honest I have several MCP's and I dont advertise that either :--)
>>> A person with BSc in something will maybe not bother putting the leaving
> cert on the CV, while a person who has not gone to college would use the
> next best thing - their leaving cert results.
>> I think the Linux ECDL will be similar - it's an introduction to
> computing with Linux. Yes, I'd be embarassed to have it on my own CV as
> well, but then - I would be embarassed to apply for a job that required it.
>> A person that required the ECDL for their job would most likely not be
> in the computing world - secretary, or the like, maybe - and so would
> not bother with our own opinions of the "worth" of it. To them, it's
> proof that they have a fundamental skill in something.
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