[ILUG] infrared and bluetooth???

[Timothy Murphy]

On Sunday 16 May 2004 02:55, Conall O'Brien wrote:

> > He is rather more than that.
> > He is responsible for all the BlueZ kernel code.
> > I don't think there is a "team" in the normal sense -
> > some people send him patches, but that's about it.
>
> Do you *really* want to reccommend someone who's just started trying out
> Linux should go learn howto setup bluetooth the technical way (which
> could involve patching kernels, using cvs snapshots of userspace tools,
> etc...)?

I don't see the relevance of this to the remark I made re Marcel Holtmann.
You said he was "one of the BlueZ team"
and I just pointed out that in fact he _is_ the team.

I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone to do what you suggest,
nor as far as I can see do any of the 20 or so HOWTOs
in the URL I gave.

I really don't understand your gripe.
You don't appear to have made any suggestions at all yourself.
Why don't you tell the man how to connect 
his computer and phone using Bluetooth, if you know so much?
[My suggestion is to read the 3 HOWTOs on exactly that subject
in the list of HOWTOs pointed to.]

I would guess the OP is already running Bluetooth on his computer,
and wants to know how to connect to his phone.
As a matter of interest, have you ever done this?
It is far from simple, in my experience,
particularly if you want to connect to the internet with GPRS,
and the chances of anyone doing it without reading a HOWTO
are practically zero, I would have thought.

> Let's not throw the poor guy into the deep end. If he wants to know the
> technical ins and outs of the Bluetooth stack in the kernel, then he can
> do so, but before that he just wants his phone and laptop to see
> each other over bluetooth.

Regarding setting up Bluetooth on a computer,
everything required is present on my Fedora-1 system,
and I imagine the same is true of other distributions.
I didn't say anything at all about "the Bluetooth stack in the kernel",
and would never use that term.
Maybe you have confused your threads?

My main suggestion was that if he wanted
to connect his computer and T60i
it might be worth reading the HOWTO on
"How to connect a computer to a T60i".

> > Surely Dec 2003 is not that long ago!
>
> You obviously don't use the bluetooth Stack too much in Linux. There
> have been some major changes in the last 6 - 8 weeks that mainly went
> into 2.6.6 which I'm sure will end up in the 2.4 series sometime soon.

Obviously you don't read the BlueZ mailing list very carefully.
Marcel Holtmann has said repeatedly that he is _not_ going to backport
recent developments to the 2.4.* kernels.

> And all that's not to mention the work done since December. Perhap's you
> should take a look at the BlueZ archives and see how busy they've
> been...

If you followed your own advice you would see
that I have been involved in discussions on the list
(regarding BT on the Sony Picturebook).

> Plus, since the BlueZ team are obviously aware of the list of howtos you
> posted a link to, they have more then likely consensed them all into
> their own howtos. That's the nature of howtos. A small few start off,
> they get refined over time and eventually, bits from numerous howtos are
> stuck together into an "official" reccommended howto.

Why don't you look to see if what you are saying is true?
Once more, there is no "BlueZ team" -
there is Marcel Holtmann, who does everything.
The official HOWTO (by Marcel Holtmann) is dated 2002, IIRC.

Why don't you update it. I'm sure he would be grateful.

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