On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:47:20 +0100, Colm Buckley <colm at tuatha.org> wrote:
> On 7 Sep 2004, at 13:19, Lisa Muir wrote:
>> > Alas, it turns out that Microsoft are the only show in town when it
> > comes to IMAP clients.
>> "I can't find a Linux client which does what I want" doesn't equate to
> "Microsoft are the only show in town". Apple's Mail client on OS X
> seems to work in the way you want (set it up to keep local copies of
> "only messages I've read").
Apple's mailtool isn't the answer either. Been there done that. It
doesn't support nested folders, and thus, as you would have with an
IMAP server such as Cyrus, drafts, sent-mail, spam, and just about
every other folder you create as a subfolder of inbox, they're all
inaccessible. I'll be at a mac later on in the week thats had all the
latest "updates" from Apple, will check it out to see if that has
changed.
> I know you might not want to change to OS
> X, but just had to disagree with the above...
Irregardless of my willingness or lack thereof to change OS, and
despite my hate for the scripting "features" of Microsoft MUA's, I
have tried every IMAP client I've come across, and obviously not
completely sucessfully with some, and yet I can't find anything to
compare with the cleanliness of Microsoft's IMAP client. It really is
the only professional solution that I've found.
What surprises me most is that the microsoft tool would be aimed at
the non technical home user, and I think that is not the profile of a
typical IMAP user. I'm just amazed that there isn't some known de
facto good tool out there that the clued in technical people use for
IMAP under linux.
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:12:57 +0100, Nick Murtagh <nickm at go2.ie> wrote:
> Lisa Muir wrote:
> > Saw this, but it breaks the IMAP protocol because it doesnt allow me
> > to view the sender and subject before giving me the option of
> > downloading the message, it just blindly downloads ALL the messages.
> > Thats pop my friend, not IMAP.
>> That's hardly breaking the protocol. Even though it's pretty stupid.
Yeah, I agree. But it does miss one of the nicest features of IMAP,
the ability to pull down the envelope first for review.
> > Alas, it turns out that Microsoft are the only show in town when it
> > comes to IMAP clients.
>> Haha. Last time I checked Outlook Express had major problems with IMAP,
> in terms of getting confused about folder subscriptions and having
> problems with deleted messages.
Hmm..... I check my IMAP box on Outlook Express on customer computers
all the time. Two problems I've discovered, (1) unecessary time lags
in getting folder status for folders that have more than 4000
messages, (2) messsages getting delivered as deleted when the client
pc has a severly messed up clock / timezone. Both userland issues that
are easily resolved, and other than that, its a beautiful long
standing implementation of IMAP that nobody else appears to be able to
come near.
> I use Thunderbird, which isn't perfect
> either, but at least it doesn't have regular major security flaws.
Yeah, I agree. If it came down to it though, I'd grin and bear the
security flaws in return for the service I get from the tool. I don't
believe in giving up liberty for security, I believe in getting the
job done!!
> IMAP is an over engineered protocol and as a result is difficult to
> implement. Nobody seems to have written a decent client yet...
Ahem.... MS ;-)
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:15:26 +0100, Kieran Tully <kieran.tully at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:19:20 +0100, Lisa Muir <34.24.34 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Alas, it turns out that Microsoft are the only show in town when it
> > comes to IMAP clients. I can grab someones desk, setup my IMAP
>> Have you tried the M2 client that comes with the Opera web browser?
>http://www.opera.com/support/service/m2/index.dml?platform=linux>> I haven't used it much for IMAP (and seem to remember it was a bit quirky),
> but it will let you preview message headers before downloading.
Thanks for the pointer.... I'll gladly try it out and get back to
y'all later. Despite the "quirky" comments, there could be light at
the end of the tunnel !!
Lisa.
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