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[Seán Mac Suibhne]

Hola!


Ar Sat 20 Aug 2005 16:27, do scríobh greg wm :
> hi folks,
>
> feels rather like i've ventured into uncharted territory, but somebody
> out there somewhere must know the way..
>
> i used wget to copy the entire http://nonviolentpeaceforce.org site to
> http://nvpf.org/np.  the former is asp pages, the latter captured as html.
>
> for example, http://nonviolentpeaceforce.org/spanish/welcome.asp was
> captured to http://nvpf.org/np/spanish/welcome.asp.html
>
> as you can see, the capture is mostly fine, including spanish characters
> in the text (eg año), however the spanish characters in the menus didn't
> do quite so well (eg Misi?n)
>
> in the file año appears as año which is apparently "good", but
> Misi?n appears as Misión, which is apparently "bad".
>
> first question:  why is that bad?
>
> if i tell galeon, instead of automatic encoding, use western iso-8859-1,
> or any of many others, presto, the page appears nicely.  but i don't
> have to do that to see the original, nor do i have to do that for
> anybody else's pages, and of course i can't expect our audience to go
> and fiddle with that in their browsers.
>
> but really now, why isn't an ó an ó?  right after the title the file
> says <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> charset=iso-8859-1">.  why isn't that good enough?  do i need to change
> some directive or setting in apache?

In Firefox the page is displaying in utf8 and when you set the coding to 
iso-8859-1 then the accents are displayed correctly.

To solve the problem 
1 	find out why the page is being displayed as utf8
or
2	Change the accented characters to &ntilde; format.


>
> second question:  it looks like wget was inconsistent!  why?
>
> likely hint:  the menus were rendered out of some .asp database or
> whatever, differently than the rest of the text of the page.
>
> but so what?  why didn't wget capture something identical to what my
> browser shows?  the command i ran was
> wget -ENKkrl19 -nH -w2 -owget.log http://nonviolentpeaceforce.org
>
> so anyway i sez hey no problem, i'll just find and replace.  well ha.
> couldn't get either egrep nor sed to find an  that was right under
> their noses.
>
> third question:  what's the trick to find and replace these buggers?
> vim can find them, in interactive mode, so.. should i be trying to
> figger out how to use vim as a grep replacement.. uhh.. ..?

I use kwrite. Highlight the  ñ and away you go.

>
> fourth question:  where should i be asking these questions, or, where do
> i look for the mysterical solution, and will i recognize it when i see it?
>

When you find out tell the list!

At least in Irish I only have to worry about 10 accented characters, just goes 
to show there is always someone worse off than yourself!

Slán

Seán
Lord and master of WWW.IONAD.ORG