[ILUG] braun's choice?

[Paul Jakma]

Damn, you beat me to editing my procmailrc. (Shouldn't have gone and 
gotten that coffee first).

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Rick Moen wrote:

> You are wasting my time.

Don't worry, I wont again after this mail.

> Quoting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_64 :
>
>  "AMD's x86-64 instruction set (later renamed AMD64) is a straightforward
>  extension of the x86 architecture to 64-bits...."

And it's wiki - so there's another page you can go edit after having 
had some silly argument on a mailling list to reflect your own 
opinions.

> Yesterday, I actually had the AMD press release in which they asked 
> people to adopt the new term in front of me, and will be glad to go 
> re-find it if anyone _other_ than Paul has significant doubts on 
> this matter.

Yes, I grant that AMD now want people to refer to their machines as 
AMD64. They even seem to want to call the ABI AMD64 too now:

 	http://www.x86-64.org/documentation/abi-0.96.pdf

> Again, you assert what differs with the industry's usage -- which 
> really _doesn't pay a lot of attention_ to what AMD wants people to 
> say.  Thus my point, which you (still) are ignoring.  Good luck 
> with that, but kindly take it up with someone else.

I really dont care what AMD want, I'm telling you how the terms are 
used in "the industry" and by the GNU GCC/toolchain folk, that each 
term can have a different meaning. There are many cases of usage 
where no such precision is desired or even known of, in such cases 
people will use whichever term they feel like it to just generally 
refer to this "64bit i386-like" arch.

However, that doesn't take away from the fact that in certain 
contexts the 3 terms can/must all be used, each meaning a slightly 
different thing. The differences *are* important, hence too the 
ability for terminology that can discriminate between them. But don't 
believe me, go ask tool chain people and maintainers of OS-dependent 
portions of AMD64/EMT64 ports.

Anyway, whatever, enjoy: arguing with you is as productive as arguing 
with those gentoo people - no, sorry, far less so.

regards,
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