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On (29/06/05 14:42), Nils Olofsson didst pronounce:
> > Why bother doing any of the above?
> choice maybe ?
And that's what it all comes down to -- choice. What you use is your own
choice. I don't expect anyone to tell me what's better than what I want
to use, and I won't tell anyone else either. If a question is asked,
it's simple to give an honest reply about how you find X for doing task
Y. Someone else may use something different for the same task, and find
it easier / more suitable / whatever, but that doesn't mean you have to
change what you use.
People's choice of OS (Windows, Linux, Unix, BSD etc. etc) and choice of
distro (98, 2k, XP, 2k3, Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Free, Net, Open etc.
etc. at infinitum) is all to do with preference when it comes to desktop
usage. Servers, generally, run what is best suited to the specific task.
For example, most ATM machines still run Win 3.1, because it suitably
fulfills the duties of an ATM.
This thread has degraded past even a mildly amusing, or even mildly
interesting debate on the benefits of Gentoo's packages as opposed to
other package management systems. If people want to run Gentoo at home,
so be it. If they want to waste CPU cycles compiling every piece of
software, again, so be it. It's all their choice. But they have no right
to force their "Gentoo beats all" opinion on the rest of us that _don't_
run Gentoo. Personally, I run Debian on 2 servers, my (AMD64) desktop
and my laptop, and I'm quite happy with it. I'm not saying everyone else
should use, or even try, Debian. I don't care whether you do or not. I'm
sure it has its advantages over Gentoo, and Gentoo probably has
advantages over Debian -- it all depends on the scenario and what you
want it to do.
So, for God's sake, give up on the persistant nit-picking crap. If this
thread is to come to _any_ use at all, both sides of the argument need
to put forward valid, substantiated arguments for their choice, or just
shut up and let it pass. I have to say though, most of the valid
substantiated arguments have come from the non-Gentoo crowd so far. This
is not meant as flame-bait, and if it's picked up as such, won't be
replied to (by me anyway). If you think your distro beats all else, then
substantiate why. If someone disagrees, who cares! It doesn't change
your opinion, and you have no right to change theirs.
> > It's all done for you already in
> > Ubuntu or Debian.
> so what your saying is ubuntu/debian is perfect for every situation and
> any other way is stupid or in "cloud-cuckoo land" ?
And this is a perfect example of bullshit. I haven't seen _anyone_ post
_anything_ to say _any_ distro is better for every situation. What the
previous poster _did_ say is that the packages are already built for you
if you use Debian / Ubuntu, and asked why, if it's already done for you,
would you do it again instead of using what's been done before? Don't
re-invent the wheel and all that.
Essentially, cut out the shite. If you've got an argument to make, then
make it. Otherwise shut the hell up.
Apologies to all for the longwinded post, but this thread is getting
boring. Guess I'm just trying to either liven it up or kill it :)
And it's obvious anyway, Debian is the best distro ;p
Chat ya later,
BOFH excuse #81: Please excuse me, I have to circuit an AC line through
my head to get this database working.
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