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[ILUG] Re: ILUG sends s/w patents briefing document to Irish MEPs

[ILUG] Re: ILUG sends s/w patents briefing document to Irish MEPs

Joseph Kiniry kiniry at acm.org
Mon Mar 21 13:59:08 GMT 2005


Hi David, Paul, et al,

On 21 Mar, 2005, at 1:42, Paul O'Malley wrote:

> Joseph Kiniry wrote:
> [moderate snipping :)]

Ouch! :)

>> Also, how often do you believe that serious modern "for profit" 
>> software development does not require significant capital?
>
> The crux of that statement is as follows.
> Your question after some reduction can reasonably end up as "Is the 
> FOSS and in particular Linux a valid development model?"

I do not believe that these two questions have anything in common, 
actually.

> The capital and rights models are totally different for FOSS and 
> proprietary software as is the security model. Yet another interesting 
> point to make about this is IBM HP Novell Mandrakesoft. The Microsoft 
> model is as far as I can see anyway a dead one.

Ummm.... okaaay.  I am unsure what any of this has to do with my 
question.

> Let me answer that question with a question.

How about just answering the question with an answer? :)

> Name a job that FOSS can't do? It has answered the desktop question by 
> asking "is Microsoft ready for the desktop?". It has answered the 
> server, the big number crunching, the embedded device, it is 
> everywhere.
> If you need software written pay someone to write it, or write it 
> yourself.

All of which require significant capital, in my opinion.  While we can 
all go on and on about how "free" Linux et al is, it still required an 
*enormous* amount of time and effort to construct; time and effort that 
inherently had (significant) value, regardless of how you interpret the 
semantics.

> Would there be an Internet if Linux did not exist, I think not.

As Niall already pointed out, this is false.

> Until TCP/IP there were many different methods for one machine to not 
> to talk another TCP/IP cut across that and provided a platform which 
> became the industry standard as users did not have to pay an entry 
> tax.

TCP/IP originally had nothing to do with FOSS, and in fact, I would 
guess the majority of TCP/IP stacks are not FOSS.

Joe




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