On Tue, 24 May 2005, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Why, as a matter of interest?
Because I filter my list email. I want an extra copy because:
- I like to retain correspondance I'm involved in (even if i purge
old list mailboxes)
- I notice mail in my personal INBOX pretty quickly, if someone
replies to me, I'd like to know.
(I might never read a reply to a list email if I'm not CC'd
> Some people get hot under the collar if you don't CC to them when
> replying to a mailing list, and others get hot under the collar if
> you do.
Well, it's a problem of several parts:
- neither RFC822 / 822 have any good way for a user to indicate
whether they prefer be included in list replies or not
- There is a proposal for a 'Mail-Followup-To' header to try solve
this. It is specified on a page by DJB on cr.yp.to and also as
a long expired draft RFC (which is very difficult to find)
- The proposals (iirc) differ in behaviour they reccomend
- Various MUAs have implemented this Mail-Followup-To header, in a
variety of incompatible ways.
This means there is no way for me to express my preference as:
- Some MUAs implement MFT as if the whole world supported it.
ie they assume that if it isn't there, the sender supports MFT
and the lack of it indicates the sender doesnt want a copy
- Some interpreting the MFT exclusively, and hence not including
the list per default (some GNU mailer) (this is the DJB behavior,
i think. IIRC, the DRUMS draft mandated it be interpreted as an
additional address to include in a reply - i cant find the draft
- Some MUAs ignoring it anyway (because of how they're configured?
appears to be the case with Niall)
- There is also a (defunct i think) proposol for a Mail-Copies-To
The only /interoperable/ (as things stand) answers are:
- In the old days, people would just filter their email, according to
how they wanted. Be it by filtering out duplicates or by filtering
list + personal replies to different mailboxes.
(unfortunately, the art of filtering email appears to have been lost.
Those without this skill obviously tend to be the ones who complain
about duplicate copies)
- Newer versions of mailman are able to suppress delivery of the list
copy, if the user wishes (indeed, it defaults to suppress).
The mailman running ilug at linux.ie appears not to be recent enough
to do this.
Both of these solutions, the *only* solutions which are guaranteed to
work to *everyone's* satisfication, require that people reply-to-all
on list email.
For the future, it would be nice to try get IETF to specify and, more
importantly, standardise a way to indicate this preference - in a way
that doesn't assume all other MUAs support it..
Paul Jakma paul at clubi.iepaul at jakma.org Key ID: 64A2FF6A
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