[ILUG] Re: The Java Discussion

[Paschal Nee]

> Sorry, I have to rise to this one. Java is improving all the time, and is
I too have to rise.  We do a lot of Java here and in the past I've worked in
big companies with very big Java based systems.  While I have no problem
with PHP, etc., and I have used them (occasionally) for smaller bits and
pieces I just don't see how you could write really large systems using such
languages.  Not so much that you could not write the system but that you
could not manage the development.  The add on tools that are available for
Java (and C/C++) such as decent IDEs* like Netbeans/Eclipse, unit testing,
test coverage, performance profiling, visualisation, optimization, etc.

Are such things available for PHP? (That's a not a rhetorical question, I'd
really be interested to know).

*By IDE I mean something that is really aware of the code it is working on -
refactoring, dynamic compilation, etc.

>From: Gareth Eason <bigbro at skynet.ie>
>        I can do a fairly good job of making them rock solid, but I have to
use
>workarounds and pander to the insane limitations and poor design of the
>Sun JVM on a regular basis to do so.
I'm curious (not doubtful) about the issues you are referring to.  When you
say rock solid are you talking security or stability?

Paschal.



On 12/12/06, ilug-request at linux.ie <ilug-request at linux.ie> wrote:
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Gareth Eason <bigbro at skynet.ie>
> To: Ciaran Johnston <cj at nologic.org>
> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:53:43 +0000
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Suggestions for Additional Material for Linux Sys
> Admin Course - LAMP?
> Ciaran Johnston wrote:
> [snip]
> > Sorry, I have to rise to this one. Java is improving all the time, and
> is
> > good for developing long-running server applications or flashy GUI-based
> > applications. Sun's hotspot VM and compiler are now:
> [snip]
>
>         Hi,
>
>         Do you have a good JVM then, that makes server side applications
> built
> in Java stable?
>
>         I can do a fairly good job of making them rock solid, but I have
> to use
> workarounds and pander to the insane limitations and poor design of the
> Sun JVM on a regular basis to do so.
>
>         I do not make such concessions for the Perl, C/C++ or even the PHP
> I
> write (though I'll admit that PHP has caused more than a few issues
> since when it goes it has a tendancy to take Apache worker threads with
> it.)
>
>         Java... it was a good idea, but it has never achieved that ideal.
> Give
> me a call when it does.
>
>         Best regards,
>         -->Gar (really not anti-java in any way - just likes things with
> good
> Ronseal factor)
>
>
>
>
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