[ILUG] Re: ILUG Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1

[Dale O'Gorman]

Grzegorz Witkowski wrote:

> Hard to believe. I can't see M$ giving the main product for free or DELL
> pays Canonical for Ubuntu same price as for M$...
> Anyway I did not see the option "no OS", which simply means forcing
> customers to purchase "The O$" anyway if they want or not.
>   

Actually if Dell earn more per PC for installing the crapware than the
price of a copy of windows (which they would get at a huge discount)
then yeah it would be cheaper to install windows than an operating
system that has zero cost but no crapware.

There are alternatives on the market which don't require you to purchase
the MS OS with your laptop or desktop. www.linuxemporium.co.uk or
www.dnuk.com they have wellpriced offerings and the hardware is
qualified to work with Linux. I still think it's better to purchase from
a company which haas Linux as a core offering not an option.......
Since everyone buying a Dell with Ubuntu is buying from the UK
anyway........

Regards,

Dale O'Gorman



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>    1. Re: Getting quite OT: VOIP & Nokia Phones (was Learning a	bit
>       about VOIP.) (Philip Trickett (List))
>    2. Re: Getting quite OT: VOIP & Nokia Phones (was Learning a bit
>       about VOIP.) (FRLinux)
>    3. RE: Getting quite OT: VOIP & Nokia Phones (was Learning a	bit
>       about VOIP.) (Mark Brislane :: Blacknight)
>    4. Re: Linux wifi woes, again.  (Niall O Broin)
>    5. Re: Buying Ubuntu Inspiron from http://www.dell.co.uk/ubuntu
>       (Grzegorz Witkowski)
>    6. Debian apt-get install errors (Walter Faleiro)
>    7. Re: Buying Ubuntu Inspiron from http://www.dell.co.uk/ubuntu
>       (Nick Murtagh)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:55:34 +0100
> From: "Philip Trickett (List)" <phil-ml at techworks.ie>
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Getting quite OT: VOIP & Nokia Phones (was
> 	Learning a	bit about VOIP.)
> To: FRLinux <frlinux at gmail.com>
> Cc: ilug <ilug at linux.ie>
> Message-ID: <1206968134.4297.10.camel at maki>
> Content-Type: text/plain
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>
> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 23:54 +0000, FRLinux wrote:
> SNIP
>   
>> Since upgraded to the n95 8gb which has been working flawlessly.
>> Steph
>>     
>
> Is the battery life better on the N95 8GB?
>
> Do you get more than a day's use from it?
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:33:27 +0100
> From: FRLinux <frlinux at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Getting quite OT: VOIP & Nokia Phones (was
> 	Learning a bit	about VOIP.)
> To: "Philip Trickett (List)" <phil-ml at techworks.ie>
> Cc: ilug <ilug at linux.ie>
> Message-ID:
> 	<a8139f990803310633l6f861e35xa3b0e0535681ccec at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Philip Trickett (List)
> <phil-ml at techworks.ie> wrote:
>   
>>  Is the battery life better on the N95 8GB?
>>
>>  Do you get more than a day's use from it?
>>     
>
> Much more. And every firmware upgrade improves this too, this is not
> just marketing. Lately, I've had to recharge the mobile every 3 days
> in average. My usage would be about 5/10mn calls every day, a bit of
> web browsing over wlan and email/gmail checks over 3G.
>
> Steph
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:31:47 +0100
> From: "Mark Brislane :: Blacknight" <mark.brislane at blacknight.com>
> Subject: RE: [ILUG] Getting quite OT: VOIP & Nokia Phones (was
> 	Learning a	bit about VOIP.)
> To: "'Philip Trickett (List)'" <phil-ml at techworks.ie>, FRLinux
> 	<frlinux at gmail.com>
> Cc: ilug <ilug at linux.ie>
> Message-ID:
> 	<E63DC38A12C2AF40968BD180F194AE461B592DC2AC at iddawg.blacknight.local>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Yes,
>
> You now get 2!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ilug-bounces at linux.ie [mailto:ilug-bounces at linux.ie] On Behalf Of Philip Trickett (List)
> Sent: 31 March 2008 13:56
> To: FRLinux
> Cc: ilug
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Getting quite OT: VOIP & Nokia Phones (was Learning a bit about VOIP.)
>
>
> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 23:54 +0000, FRLinux wrote:
> SNIP
>   
>> Since upgraded to the n95 8gb which has been working flawlessly.
>> Steph
>>     
>
> Is the battery life better on the N95 8GB?
>
> Do you get more than a day's use from it?
>
> Phil
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:51:25 +0100
> From: Niall O Broin <niall at linux.ie>
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Linux wifi woes, again. 
> To: Irish Linux Users Group <ilug at linux.ie>
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> On 30 Mar 2008, at 21:30, Justin Mason wrote:
>
>   
>> Yeah, NetworkManager tends to be really flaky in my experience.  In
>> particular it tended to stop my wifi device every day or so, until I
>> killed it with prejudice and went back to the old Debian style --
>> something like this in /etc/network/interfaces :
>>
>> iface ath0 inet static
>>    wireless-essid [blah]
>>    wireless-key fc56[blahblah]
>>    address 10.19.72.7
>>    netmask 255.255.255.0
>>    gateway 10.19.72.1
>>
>> Then "ifup ath0" to bring up the device, "ifdown ath0" etc.
>>     
>
> Here we are in 2008 and I just hoped that the Linux for the masses  
> would appraoch the "Just Work" state. But it seems it is not to be :-(
>
> I can get the PC Card interface up fine manually as above, but the  
> USB stick doesn't work. It seems that it has an RTL8187 chipset, and  
> I'm not the only one to have problems with it. Linux sees it, the  
> driver loads, but it won't associate to my AP :-(
>
>
>
> Niall
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:22:41 +0100
> From: Grzegorz Witkowski <geslinux at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Buying Ubuntu Inspiron from
> 	http://www.dell.co.uk/ubuntu
> To: keith at clubheadbangbang.org
> Cc: ilug at linux.ie
> Message-ID: <1207009361.3061.9.camel at ges>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Hard to believe. I can't see M$ giving the main product for free or DELL
> pays Canonical for Ubuntu same price as for M$...
> Anyway I did not see the option "no OS", which simply means forcing
> customers to purchase "The O$" anyway if they want or not.
>
> Ges
>
>
> On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 23:22 +0100, keith at clubheadbangbang.org wrote:
>
>   
>> hey,
>> I had a similar experience a few months back, when I tried to get an Inspiron
>> with ubuntu installed instead of windows [ which was on offer by Dell in other
>> countries by not Ireland !]
>>
>> When I called sales they told me that I couldn't buy a laptop with Ubuntu, after
>> a bit of hassle he agreed to sell me the laptop without windows pre-installed. I
>> said that would be fine and asked for the new price to which I was informed that
>> the prices was the same, as the windows software comes free with laptop.
>>
>> When I asked if he was telling me that windows is free software the answer was
>> yes !!
>>
>> [k]
>>
>> Quoting Grzegorz Witkowski <geslinux at gmail.com>:
>>
>>     
>>> I presume there was no difference in price. Am I right?
>>>
>>> Ges
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 2008-03-29 at 12:46 +0000, nexor wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to get an Ubuntu laptop from Dell.
>>>> Their Ubuntu-related website is located at:
>>>> http://www.dell.co.uk/ubuntu
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, Inspiron listed on this Ubuntu-Dell page has Vista as the
>>>> only option.
>>>> Eventually I was able to order it with Ubuntu by calling sales directly.
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty weired, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Tomek
>>>>         
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:00:09 -0700
> From: "Walter Faleiro" <curtorkar at gmail.com>
> Subject: [ILUG] Debian apt-get install errors
> To: "ilug at linux.ie" <ilug at linux.ie>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Folks,
> I am getting some errors while installing packages required for kernel
> compilation.
> I checked all files are there, but not sure why the errors.
>
> Anybody experienced this?
>
> Thanks,
> --Walter
>
>
> debconf: delaying package configuration, since apt-utils is not installed
> (Reading database ... 0 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking libdb1-compat (from .../libdb1-compat_2.1.3-7_i386.deb) ...
> dpkg: error processing
> /var/cache/apt/archives/libdb1-compat_2.1.3-7_i386.deb (--unpack):
>  unable to create updated files list file for package libdb1-compat: No such
> file or directory
> Unpacking libc6 (from .../libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6_i386.deb) ...
> dpkg not recorded as installed, cannot check for epoch support !
> dpkg: error processing
> /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6_i386.deb (--unpack):
>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libdb1-compat_2.1.3-7_i386.deb
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6_i386.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:15:38 +0100
> From: Nick Murtagh <nickm at go2.ie>
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Buying Ubuntu Inspiron from
> 	http://www.dell.co.uk/ubuntu
> To: ilug at linux.ie
> Message-ID: <47F1FD3A.1050207 at go2.ie>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Grzegorz Witkowski wrote:
>   
>> Hard to believe. I can't see M$ giving the main product for free or DELL
>> pays Canonical for Ubuntu same price as for M$...
>> Anyway I did not see the option "no OS", which simply means forcing
>> customers to purchase "The O$" anyway if they want or not.
>>     
>
> Actually if Dell earn more per PC for installing the crapware than the
> price of a copy of windows (which they would get at a huge discount)
> then yeah it would be cheaper to install windows than an operating
> system that has zero cost but no crapware.
>
>   

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