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Fresh Content on site!
Posted By Ken Guest - 10:34, 20 December 2005
Michele Neylon has written the following for linux.ie: What is a DNS Blacklist? (article) Linux Email for the part-time sys-admin (review of the book of the same name). Thanks Michele!

Linux and another open network
Posted By Ken Guest - 17:54, 21 November 2005
Edited by Paul O'Malley - 17:54, 21 November 2005
FON is a Spanish wi-fi sharing company, based on open-source code and principles. FON already has its first FON AP in operation, on Ormonde Quay, within range of the Morrison Hotel. Antoin and a few others are meeting up there tomorrow - send antoin@eire.com an email if you want to find out more all welcome.
New Linux Course in the Cork College of Commerce
Posted By Ken Guest - 15:28, 20 November 2005
A new course which introduces the Linux operating system and provides practical experience of installing, maintaining and using Linux and Linux-based open-source desktop applications is starting in the Cork College of Commerce. Classes will start again this January.
SCALE 4x issued Call For Papers
Posted By Ken Guest - 05:01, 7 November 2005
SCALE 4x, the 2006 Southern California Linux Expo, has issued a Call For Papers. They will be accepting presentation proposals through November 20, 2005. Additionally, SCALE is offering exhibit space to open-source projects and community organizations. Some projects which have already signed up include: NetBSD, CACert, and Cinepaint.
SCALE 4x, is their fourth annual Linux and Open Source conference will be held at the Los Angeles Airport Westin on Feb 11-12. SCALE is a community run non-profit event. Speakers this year will include Chris Dibona (Google), Matt Asay (Alfresco) and John Terpstra (Samba).

Irish Free Software Organisation (IFSO) Seminar
Posted By Ken Guest - 09:00, 4 November 2005
On the morning of Friday November 18th, IFSO is organising an event hosted by MEP Proinsias De Rossa about preventing software patents in the EU. Topics covered will be:

  • An analysis of the software patent directive;
  • a discussion of Free Software and computer security;
  • an introduction to IFSO/FSFE and their work;
  • the future of legislative obstacles to the development and distribution of software.

The event will be held in the European Parliament Office in Ireland, and spaces are limited. Participants are therefore asked to register their intent to attend.


Groklaw has an article on IT in schools in the UK
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 10:20, 31 October 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 10:20, 31 October 2005
The title is "Building IT Infrastructure in UK Schools, a National Strategy" Ian Lynch, well worth a read if you have any interest in education.
lamp.linux.ie returns
Posted By Ken Guest - 13:58, 23 October 2005
lamp.linux.ie, a website forum for website developers, is back courtesy of Kae Verens
ILUG AGM Report and Election Results
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 22:37, 22 October 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 22:37, 22 October 2005
The AGM was a great success - the room in the ICS building was packed There were six talks on subjects as wide and as varied as Ciarán O'Riordan of FSFE who spoke about his work in Brussels, we also had a piece on Access To Knowledge, Digital Rights Ireland, Apache 2.2 - the upcoming release and some of the really cool things that will be in there, Ruby on Rails, RPC on Linux, and a very interesting piece on the adoption of alternative software in organisations. This was followed by a large grouping heading to the Schoolhouse where they were fed and watered. The committee was re-elected with Noirin Plunkett stepping down due to not being available for the forth-coming year, and the appointment of James McCarthy in the role of Secretary.
FÁS Linux Administration Course
Posted By Ken Guest - 12:18, 19 October 2005
Edited by Paul O'Malley - 12:18, 19 October 2005
The FÁS Training Centre, Loughlinstown, Co Dublin is currently recruiting for a Linux Administration course, commencing November 28th. You must be registered with FÁS to avail of these courses, for full details contact your local FÁS Employment Service Office or check out www.fas.ie. With thanks to Carol Gibney for bringing this to our attention.
ILUG AGM
Posted By Niall Walsh - 05:24, 11 October 2005
Edited by Paul O'Malley - 05:24, 11 October 2005
The 2005 AGM of the ILUG will take place on Saturday October 22nd at 15:00 in the premises of the Irish Computer Society in Dublin - map and details at http://www.ics.ie/main/contact.htm.

Linux An Alternative Not A Replacement
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 23:22, 8 October 2005
This article proclaims itself to be aimed at those enthusiastic new users of Linux who suggest that resistance to Linux would be overcome if only Linux was more Windows like. It is a very broad piece and includes many interesting thoughts, one of my personal favourites is: “Linux is actually blissfully easy to use. Genuinely. It is really easy to use. The reason it isn't perceived this way? Because the term "ease of use" has been so badly distorted. In common usage, "easy to use" now means "easy to do something without knowing beforehand how to do it". But that's not really "easy to use", is it? That's "easy to figure out".” In this contributor's opinion it was very well put together and a pleasure to read.
An introduction to Emacs
Posted By Ken Guest - 13:01, 6 October 2005
Oliver Pfaff has written a handy introduction to using emacs for the Beginners Linux Guide.
Blended Application Development
Posted By Fergal Breen - 16:55, 4 October 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 16:55, 4 October 2005
Open Source Experts To Debate On Blended Application Development At BEAWorld London. BEA bring together the industry's leading open source experts for the first time in a panel debate and will host a series of open source-focused developer sessions at BEAWorld 2005.
NTT produces Lossless Linux Filesystem
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 07:27, 1 October 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 07:27, 1 October 2005
The world's largest telco has produced a filesystem using a system called NILFS 1.0 which happens to stand for new implementation of a log-structured filesystem.
Ubuntu 5.10 preview release
Posted By Ken Guest - 07:32, 26 September 2005
What is it about Ubuntu that sets it out from the crowd?
Finnish Music Exec Laughable
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 08:16, 25 September 2005
You will have DRM or go and buy yourself a CD player. At least that is the opinion of a Finnish music executive. I wonder what will happen to all these nice people when there is a backlash of several percentage points by the Linux and Mac using chunk of society.
www.linux.ie, cork.linux.ie and midlands.linux.ie moved to new server
Posted By Ken Guest - 17:18, 9 September 2005
www.linux.ie, cork.linux.ie and midlands.linux.ie have been moved to a new server. Please let us know if you notice any problems.

Drinks & GPG/PGP Keysigning
Posted By Ken Guest - 03:14, 7 September 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 03:14, 7 September 2005
There are two more opportunities to meet with Gareth Eason and share a drink while he verifies people's ID for some GPG/PGP keysigning:
  • Galway, on Friday 9th at Monroe's from 8 o'clock onwards.
  • Dublin, on Sunday 11th at The Long Stone, also from 8 o'clock onwards.
Details are below...
In the not really not really in the news section
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 18:50, 21 August 2005
Ubuntu, that distro that has taken the Linux world by storm in the last year has reached a 'testing milestone' on the way to its October release of the third edition 'Breezy Badger'. Colony-3 is the name of this test version. If you want to try it out burn the live CD version. It is several steps ahead of hoary, but like all betas has a little way to go yet. Have a look, you know you want to :).
Say Yes With Linux
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 18:45, 21 August 2005
Shock, shock, horror, horror, - well actually not. I was browsing the names of distros, as I do not have a life and I came across one with the name YES, which actually stands for Your E Sale, an internet presence for what the developer calls 'mom and pop' stores. I put it here for the headline. :)
TCO is just plain silly
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 11:39, 21 August 2005
Edited by Paul O'Malley - 11:39, 21 August 2005
In his Editor's Note: How Not to Define Linux Brian Proffitt Managing Editor of linuxtoday.com proves exactly how little TCO counts. So the phrase should be consigned to the bin. Now how about all those reports that 'measured' it in some independent way for Microsoft. Maybe we should give their authors a minor shout 'Oy your looking in the wrong place'. The basic argument is small or large measurements even across industry segments can't measure TCO. The reason cited is that no two companies get benefit in the same way. For what its worth I'm with the guy.
Fedora Core 4
Posted By Fergal Breen - 11:29, 16 August 2005
The Fedora Project, a Red Hat-sponsored and community-supported project, today announced the availability of Global File System (GFS) in Fedora Core 4. By making GFS freely available to the open source development community.
BEA Open Source Milestones
Posted By Fergal Breen - 11:25, 16 August 2005
BEA Systems, announced significant milestones in the company's open-source efforts, including code release milestones for Apache Beehive, Apache XMLBeans and the Eclipse Web Tools Platform (WTP). Today's announcement helps to demonstrate the value of BEA's contributions to the open source community as well as the company's strategic commitment to having a leadership role in helping to advance Java, XML and Web Services innovation.
Fedora Foundations: strong
Posted By Fergal Breen - 11:24, 16 August 2005
Edited by Fergal Breen - 11:24, 16 August 2005
Red Hat has created the Fedora Foundation with the intent of moving Fedora project development work and copyright ownership of contributed code to the Foundation, giving the community greater control in directing future innovation of Fedora.
OSDL CEO Stuart Cohen Swipes at Naysayers (and there are lots :))
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 22:15, 8 August 2005
Stuart Cohen is quoted in an article on the newsforge site, and he does the rounds. He takes a side swipe at several critics of Linux, and in this writers opinion did it rather well.
City moved to Linux and nobody noticed
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 19:33, 6 August 2005
In this newsforge article you can read about a city that moved to Linux. The are reporting that for an install base of 300 desktop machines and 25 servers they have saved one hundred thousand US dollars per annum. In anyones language that is nice money to not spend.
posting messages to ILUG Tips Forum requires full login
Posted By Ken Guest - 09:34, 6 August 2005
You must now fully log in to the site before you can post to the ILUG Tips Forum.
This requirement has been added to significantly lower the chances of spam being posted to the forum.
Show your enthusiasm!
Posted By Ken Guest - 16:06, 27 July 2005
Show your enthusiasm for Linux with this Linux.ie wallpaper from our downloads section.
Wins for the FOSS community
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 10:10, 20 July 2005
This story has no start, middle or end. It just has a few nice things to say about the current state of play.
General Linux Distro Review
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 08:26, 20 July 2005
Here is a reasonable* review of some of the top distros out there, however its timing had it miss one fact, Mandriva is moving into the .deb space. My use of the word reasonable is defined by what the author wrote about my favorite distro :). It was reported elsewhere I think it deserves a second glance.
SC^hO where are you now?
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 08:18, 20 July 2005
The long time law suit started when we were in Expo in 2003 seems to have taken a bit of a turn when following email was made public. I just wonder where the millions of lines of code are now Darl. There appears to be a thing called the Lanham act that might have some bearing on what happens next. You can of course look all this up on the Groklaw site. But for a different flavour follow the link below.
Linux Down Under
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 08:07, 20 July 2005
The self decribed leader in the eyewear and eyecare industry in Australia and New Zealand, has gone for Linux in the enterprise. They obviously have seen the light! Check out the link below.
University in Bedford UK saves money using Linux
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 08:04, 20 July 2005
De Montfort university in the UK has used Linux to save money. It is such a short story I'll just point you to the url :)
Poll: Policy change for Vendors Database?
Posted By Ken Guest - 08:42, 13 July 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 08:42, 13 July 2005
We all share recommendations of who the best hardware/hosting/support vendors are through the Vendors Database. At the moment companies can only be listed if they have been recommended by an ILUG member. Should they be listed if testimonials can be supplied? Tell us what you think.
EU rejects Software Patents
Posted By Fergal Breen - 14:10, 6 July 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 14:10, 6 July 2005
This outcome is a clear victory for open source! It expresses Parliaments clear desire to provide a balanced, competitive market for software, one that gives equal access to participants of all sizes. This action further sustains the clear mandate to our elected officials to assure that new legislation represents the interests of all, including consumers and the public and not just big industry.
Linux vs. Windows Mobile
Posted By Fergal Breen - 15:33, 21 June 2005
Edited by Fergal Breen - 15:33, 21 June 2005
The site Wiki XDA Developers announces a project to port Linux to a range of mobile devices. The objective is to replace Windows Mobile with a completely operational version of Linux OS, which can exploit fully the PDA's capabilities including Telephony.
EU Patent laws
Posted By Fergal Breen - 12:57, 21 June 2005
Edited by Fergal Breen - 12:57, 21 June 2005
The Legal Affairs Committee today voted on amendments to the Rocard report on the software patents directive and approved a number of amendments. The result overall leaves the key loopholes of the Council's text wide open, and in some cases even widened further. The directive will now be voted on by the full Parliament, in two weeks' time.
Cladonia releases v3.1 of Exchanger XML Editor
Posted By Ken Guest - 11:43, 16 June 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 11:43, 16 June 2005
As contributed by cladonia Galway based,Cladonia Limited announces the immediate availability of Version 3.1 of the Exchanger XML Editor.
Fedora Core 4 Launched
Posted By Daragh Mc Grath - 16:13, 15 June 2005
Fedora Core 4 is now available from Red Hat and at distinguished mirror sites near you, and is also available in the torrent. Fedora Core is available for x86-64, i386, and ppc/ppc64.

Nokia build on Konqueror for Series 60 browser
Posted By Ken Guest - 14:54, 13 June 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 14:54, 13 June 2005
As contributed by Fergal Breen Nokia have released a new web browser for their Series 60 OS, which is based on best-of-breed Open Source Software from KDE. A key component of this development has been Nokia's cooperation with Apple, as the Series 60 browser will use the same open source components, WebCore and JavaScriptCore, that Apple uses in its popular Safari Internet browser. Based on KHTML and KJS from KDE's "Konqueror" open source project, this software has enabled Safari to achieve industry-leading features and performance. Nokia intends to continue its collaboration with Apple and actively participate in the open source community to further develop and enhance these components, contributing Nokia's expertise in mobility.
Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Released
Posted By Niall Walsh - 00:48, 7 June 2005
Edited by Niall Walsh - 00:48, 7 June 2005
The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 3.1 codenamed ``sarge'' after nearly three years of constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system which supports a total of eleven processor architectures, includes KDE, GNOME and GNUstep desktop environments, features cryptographic software, is compatible with the FHS v2.3, and supports software developed for the LSB.
With the development of the new debian-installer, this release features a new, modular and sophisticated installation routine with integrated hardware detection and unattended installation capabilities. The installation is available in about thirty languages and includes configuration of the X server for many graphic cards.
Microsoft granted patent on XML serialisation and deserialisation
Posted By Ken Guest - 13:46, 27 May 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 13:46, 27 May 2005
As contributed by Fergal Breen: Microsoft was granted by the US patent office on Tuesday, for XML serialisation and deserialisation the conversion of a programming object into an XML file and vice versa. Should someone else want to save a programming object in the form of an XML file, Microsoft can now charge them for the privilege or simply refuse them permission to do it at all in the US. Although such a patent is less likely to be granted in Europe, which has a less liberal patent system than the US, there are concerns that this could change if the European software patent directive is adopted by the European Parliament. Opponents of this directive, including IrishDev.com, which is due for a final vote in the summer, claim that it will lead to the widespread patenting of software in Europe.
EU has approved funding for FLOSSWorld
Posted By Ken Guest - 13:11, 27 May 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 13:11, 27 May 2005
As contributed by Fergal Breen The EU has approved funding for FLOSSWorld, a new project to promote global collaboration relating to Free/Libre/Open Source Software (FLOSS). FLOSSWorld launched earlier this month. It will run for two years and involves 17 partners from 12 EU countries. Partners will all share 660,000EUR, from the European Union's 6th Framework Research programme. The project aims to enable research and policy development at a global level and facilitate further collaboration between the EU and developing countries in this area.
'Computer Security Basics' reviewed.
Posted By Ken Guest - 01:59, 23 May 2005
Noirin Plunkett reviews "Computer Security Basics" by Debby Russell and Sr. G.T. Gangemi.
LUG for Wexford town
Posted By Ken Guest - 11:00, 11 May 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 11:00, 11 May 2005
Mark Neary is looking for linux users in the Wexford town area to set up a small LUG.

Ubuntu launches Launchpad
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 21:59, 3 May 2005
Edited by Niall Walsh - 21:59, 3 May 2005
A rather interesting set of tools have been launched in the Ubuntu space, under the general title of Launchpad, they are Rosetta: a web-based translation portal; Malone: a web-based global bug tracking tool and the Doap Registry: the Description of a Project web service where they catalogue all the open source projects registered in The Launchpad.
China's Biggest Bank Moves To Linux
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 09:35, 3 May 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 09:35, 3 May 2005
What a roll out 20,000 branches will be using the Turbo Linux. This distribution gets little press in Europe but is very popular in the Asia.
Linux In Industry articles wanted
Posted By Ken Guest - 02:01, 1 May 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 02:01, 1 May 2005
Is Linux used in your workplace? If so and you wouldn't mind having an article about it written for this website then we'd like to hear from you.
Expo Report 2005
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 19:03, 20 April 2005
We had a good time in ICT-EXPO this year. The show itself was not as well attended as previous years. What did we do? Well in a break with tradition we gave away a lot of Ubuntu Install CDs made for us at the show by nivalis.ie. We also gave away a lot of other stuff from IFSO.ie, KDE.ie and some company called mandriva :-). We were situated opposite the RedHat stand, who I personally have to thank for providing a speaker at less than 5 minutes warning, a bit like kickstart for conferences. The talks were resonably well attended and seemed to generate interest. We had a good time in ICT-EXPO this year. We gave away a lot of Ubuntu Install CDs made for us at the show by nivalis.ie. We also gave away a lot of other stuff from IFSO.ie, KDE.ie and some company called mandriva :-). We were situated opposite the RedHat stand, who I personally have to thank for providing a speaker at less than 5 minutes warning, a bit like kickstart for conferences. The talks were resonably well attended and seemed to generate interest.

We ran two distros on the stand Ubuntu and Kanotix. You can find out more about Ubuntu http://www.ubuntulinux.org, the other disto we ran on the stand was Kanotix http://www.kanotix.org. Post show on the Thursday we went to the School House (Northumberland Rd) and had dinner with some of the people on from the show, along with Evan Leibovitch of the Linux Professional Institute and Paul Everitt of Zope Corporation some of the guys from Open App and the Irish Python User Group.

Site Update
Posted By Ken Guest - 23:58, 19 April 2005
The page used when a page is found to be missing has been updated to be more useful.

Linux Upgrade from Windows 98
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 10:03, 17 April 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 10:03, 17 April 2005
Upgrading Windows 98 to XP can have a lot of hidden costs, hardware, software and a little shift in paradigm. Well changing the direction of that shift in paradigm, you can save on the hardware and software.


Site updates
Posted By Ken Guest - 09:57, 13 April 2005
No great suprises here - just remember if you think the site could do more then drop me an email.
ICT Expo 2005
Posted By Niall Walsh - 10:36, 6 April 2005
Edited by Paul O'Malley - 10:36, 6 April 2005

This years ICT Expo takes place Wednesday/Thursday 13th/14th April in the RDS Main Hall. This years ILUG@Expo will feature the Linux.ie stand (look for Tux the penguin in the yellow section of the floorplan) aswell as the Open Expo conference which we are co-hosting with OpenIreland.

We're looking forward to seeing you all there. Don't forget to come by the stand to see if you can get a copy of the newly released Ubuntu Linux on cd so you can try out the new #1 Linux distribution on distrowatch.



The Beginners Linux Guide
Posted By Niall Walsh - 06:39, 6 April 2005
Edited by Ken Guest - 06:39, 6 April 2005
The BLG is one of the more popular areas of our site and is need of some continuous tender loving care. Some pages could be improved while others simply need updating to the latest and greatest the Linux world has to offer. So have a look and see if you can write a missing page or update an existing one and submit your updates as mentioned on the BLG and to me, chairman@linux.ie (and you can CC to ilug@linux.ie for a bit of distributed proof reading if you're brave).
The almost definitive list of all distros
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 18:41, 4 April 2005
Recently I was asked "what are the different types of Linux?", while the question did not sit well with me I understood what the person was getting at. Well for those who don't know this great little place on the internet it is called distrowatch.

How to Migrate to Linux.
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 18:35, 4 April 2005
When a site says stuff like this : "When Millions of people have made the same switch before you, so it's not impossible. We are going to take you step-by-step through a whole migration from Windows to Linux, covering everything from picking the right Linux distribution to installing Linux applications." I just had to throw a link to it.
Groklaw Points to ILUG mailing list
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 15:37, 17 March 2005
Edited by Niall Walsh - 15:37, 17 March 2005
The Groklaw story is here. It is reporting this, Barry O' Donovan's mail announcing a document being sent to alert MEP's on the actual dangers of Software Patents. Barry will be speaking in the RDS on the subject of the KDE Kiosk a system administration tool which is designed to be used to centrally customize a desktop setup, during the ICT Expo in April.

Site Updates: February to March
Posted By Ken Guest - 00:49, 17 March 2005
All changes are now listed in a Changelog - some will be evident to everybody and others only if you have the relevant access rights. In short, I've put more work into the News Postings archive and search engine, along with localisation, vCards and a bit more.
EXPO 2005
Posted By Paul O'Malley - 21:49, 14 March 2005
Edited by Paul O'Malley - 21:49, 14 March 2005
This year yet again we are involved with the
ICT EXPO. We are looking for people to help out on the stand. The mailing list has been set up for the event and can be found here.
This rather low volume list will be the place where information will be passed between the people helping out on the stand. This year we have will have several speakers from our membership. In the main they will be doing case studies about various open source programs and the benefits these programs bring to various organisations. The list of speakers is on the ICT Expo site.

OpenOffice.org 2.0 Beta Released
Posted By Niall Walsh - 21:14, 7 March 2005
Edited by Niall Walsh - 21:14, 7 March 2005
"OpenOffice.org 2.0 Beta is out and it's revolutionary: New technology, better interoperability, and even easier to use. But it is still in beta. Tell us what is good and what needs fixing."
Site Updates
Posted By Ken Guest - 11:52, 18 February 2005
Edited by Kevin Lyda - 11:52, 18 February 2005
New functionality for this website has been released. This was done by Ken Guest and his amazing all-dancing, all-singing web team (Kevin only edited this news article to add some links, Ken did all the actual work)

  • Kenn Humborg finally gets his wish to have a way to search through news items. :) Note, this url will list all news articles ever published.
  • The 'E-mail a friend' functionality has been improved.
  • Posts in the news system now also link to the poster's "Who's Who" page.
  • People with admin access to the news system should notice a few more tweaks :)
  • At Anthony Geoghan's suggestion, I want to remind ye that anybody who's registered with the site also get's a vcard file downloadable from the site so your friends and contacts can readily be updated with any new contact details.

    Webhosting and Vendors pages updated
    Posted By Ken Guest - 15:17, 12 February 2005
    Edited by Ken Guest - 15:17, 12 February 2005
    The Vendors pages have been updated.
    Mirrors page updated
    Posted By Ken Guest - 05:56, 23 January 2005
    The page of links to local mirrors has been updated.
    Talks, drinks, and general mayhem...
    Posted By Niall Walsh - 18:19, 19 January 2005
    Saturday, January 22nd, 2:30pm
    ICS premises
    John Looney - "Replace Cisco with Linux"
    Colm MacCarthaigh - "Ultra-Ultra Non-Ultra Scalability with Linux"
    Liam Bedford - "Nothing to do with Linux in Particular"
    The Schoolhouse by 6pm :-D
    France Attempts To Shut Down Free Software
    Posted By Ken Guest - 21:54, 2 January 2005
    Edited by Ken Guest - 21:54, 2 January 2005
    Given the crazy world we live in this is just about plausible. Well two things, one there will be no Internet worth talking about in France. The second and more interesting if my memory is correct the French Air force will loose its main operating system. I would not like to be on the wrong end of an argument with those guys. Or that is what you might think from reading this.

                                                                                                        

 

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