From: Aaron McDaid (Aaron.McDaid at domain compaq.com)
Date: Fri 18 Feb 2000 - 16:25:56 GMT
Yes, of course. Well who's fault is it then. I would be annoyed if an app
can bring X to it's knees (i've experienced a small number of lockups but i
could never work out what app had done it. It just seems to be X isn't
stable enough. I hope the Xfree developers are working on stability and the
like instead of just adding support for more cards. X should put tighter
controls on what the app can do.
Any solution to this. To mention vnc again I like the way it didn't matter
if the client side vnc prog crashed it didn't wreck the applications. Is
there any way this kind of feature could be put in X. What I mean is if an
application (not the one causing the trouble like LICQ or whatever) notices
that the X server isn't responding any more then it would wait for X to
restart and try to reconnect. Or if you use a different X server and tell
the app to display there instead (while it's still running)
I suppose I'm asking too much! Wanting any X apps to have runtime
configuration of what display to use.
From: Shane Dempsey [mailto:sdempsey at domain tssg.wit.ie]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 4:06 PM
To: ilug at domain linux.ie
Subject: Re: [ILUG] Have you had your daily dose of reality?
I know what you are saying but for some strange reason
2 of the crashes managed to lock up the keyboard.
I also interpret a crash as being something that causes all the
GUI apps that I am running to be unceremoniously
dumped while the os takes me back to a prompt.
That irritates me greatly but I take your point.
It doesn' t really reflect kernel stability. You could still
happily run all kinds of networking apps on a machine
where X crashes a lot without causing any problems
for network users who are depending on it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron McDaid <Aaron.McDaid at domain compaq.com>
To: Ilug (E-mail) <ilug at domain linux.ie>
Sent: 18 February 2000 15:24
Subject: RE: [ILUG] Have you had your daily dose of reality?
> > My linux machine has been rebooted about 5 times
> > due to problems with X and various apps
> I assume you're referring to a situation where you couldn't log out or
> X in a normal way
> why? you shouldn't have to reboot because of that! if your window manager
> hanging or whatever try Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. That'll kill X for you.
> It's also possible to restore some sanity by going back to the console
> Ctrl-Alt-F1 and messing about there (it's the same as Alt-F1 or Alt-F2 to
> swap virtual consoles if you aren't in X) . Such as SIGKILL the wm and
> restart it (this keeps your X-apps your running). But that's getting a bit
> If neither of these is working only then should you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del or
> forbid hit the reset button.
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