From: Kevin Gannon (kevin at domain gannons.net)
Date: Tue 08 May 2001 - 16:49:35 IST
>What two layers ? Are you saying then that BigTelcos don't sell
>direct to end customers ?
>
> >
> > The second layer are customers of the top layer for extra-ireland
> > traffic and the second layer peer amongst themselves at INEX.
>
>What about mister huge global corporate software company that has
>a policy of only buying bandwidth from BigTelco... where is his
>local peering in Ireland ?
London ;-).
>He doesn't qualify as an ISP so he can't join INEX... and anyway
>why should he have to join INEX to get national peering - why
>can't his ISP do that for him ?
What is in it for the larger ISP, when they already sell the INEX folks
there routes anyway. They get a route into Ireland and the local ISP
pays for this !. Ok you could stop this but I cant see anyone wanting
to buy transit from UUNet and then refuse all traffic from AS701.
>Anyway - you can't split the network into 'big' and 'small', and force
>all the customers to buy though 'small'..
>So while your point is argued well, your basis is flawed. There are no
>layers.. It might be fair to talk about layering in the USA context, but
>then you're dealing with USA national traffic... and 'Tier 1' designations
>apply... but the Internet doesn't only exist in the USA... so within the
>context of Ireland Mr BigTelco is (as you rightly point out) not building
>a national network... so he needs to do in Ireland - what the Irish ISPs
>have to do in the USA... go to someone who has a national network and
>buy Irish transit from them... but it doesn't work that way - cause the
>big guys just bully their way around - and refuse to play fair with the
>local yokels.
Its not just local bully tactics look at C&W's new de-peering scheme.
>In the Irish context the national 'tier one' networks are the Eircom
>(Eircom Net / Indigo), the Esat (Esat Net, IOL/PostGEM) and the HEAnet
>networks.
What is the definition of Tier 1 these days, the best I heard is that
they dont buy routes but sell them ? Mind you what is a Tier 0 then ?
>Arriving into a country, connecting up two customers locally and then
>claiming that you are servicing the country but can't route traffic
>locally within the country is what caused the erroneous statement from
>microsoft in the first place.
>
>
>Are you claiming that 'BigTelcos' peering at LINX and AMS-IX is somehow
>more efficient that them peering at INEX ?
I cant rember is LINX based on bi-lateral peering or not ?
Regards,
Kevin
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