From: Colm Buckley (colm at domain tuatha.org)
Date: Thu 21 Jun 2001 - 15:10:15 IST
> == Noel Carroll
> [... emailing the list is not sufficient notice ...]
That's your opinion. It doesn't seem to be shared by anyone on the
committee, so I respectfully suggest that therefore it's totally
irrelevent. There are mechanisms for changing the way the ILUG is
run, and they are (a) get on the committee and therefore be involved
with the interpretation of the Constitution as appropriate; and (b)
change the Constitution. Giving out on the list is utterly pointless.
> [... people may disable mail delivery ...]
If people have email delivery disabled, I suggest that they are
therefore not interested in receiving ILUG communications and the
committee shouldn't have to get into the business of second-guessing
people's intentions.
> Oh yeah! That'd be possible this time around considering I found
> out about this AGM so late in the day that I have already plans for
> this weekend...
I fail to see what *possible* relevance this has. Yes, it was
regrettable that the AGM was announced at such short notice, and yes,
it was regrettable that an announcement wasn't made on the web site
immediately; and I'm sure that next year's committee will do things
differently. However, the committee *did* discharge their obligations
under the Constitution, and there is really nothing further to add.
I'm sure we all regret that you'll have to miss the AGM, and that
we'll be without your contributions as a result.
> Gather names, send out notification? [...] Let the committee member
> who is the secretary do that! Thats their job! I could point out
> the implication here but I think you all get it!
The secretary *did* discharge his obligations as specified by the
Constitution. The fact that you've been inconvenienced as a result is
not really a matter for the committee to be concerned with.
> Well we all have out personal preferences and mine is to actually
> deal with a committee or group who, for once, organised something on
> time and with enough notice that I could actually attend. I have
> stated time and time again that ILUG events are organised on too
> short a notice period and time and time again nothing is actually
> done about it.
Has it occurred to you that the ILUG is an *entirely* volunteer
effort, run by individuals who put quite a considerable amount of work
and effort into its running, without the expectation or realisation of
compensation? Has it occurred to you that the ILUG web site and
mailing lists are turning into a pretty major resource for ILUs, and
indeed for international LUs; and that the comfort and convenience of
Noel Carroll esq. might be pretty far down the list of priorities? If
you want to change the way the ILUG is run, then I'm afraid you'll
have to opt for (a) or (b) above. Whingeing about the *volunteer*
efforts of others without offering to contribute is no way to win
yourself support or friends.
Colm
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