From: Paul Kelly (longword at domain esatclear.ie)
Date: Sun 23 Jun 2002 - 22:47:53 IST
Niall O Broin wrote:
>>What happens if 24 luggers get together in an area that is know to have ADSL
>>and buy or rent the 24 ports from Eircom.
> Interesting though but there's a small problem or two:
There's lots more than that :-(
> I'd be astonished is there's anyone exchange in the country to which 24 ILUG
> members are connected.
Lets assume for a minute that there is.
> If I were astonished, I'd be flabbergasted if those 24 all wanted to pay 50+
> EUR / month for ADSL.
Odds are good, so I'll let that one slide too.
> AFAIK you'd have to a registered/certified/whatever OLO to do this. I'm sure
> this would require a level of capitalisation above and beyond ILUG's 2K EUR
> and besides, the treasurer wants to spend that on beer :-)
Yup. That's one of the nasty ones. You have to fill a brown paper
envelope with 12,500 euro for the ODTR in order to become a Licensed
Telecoms Operator. Without that license, Eircom can and will refuse to
talk to you.
With the license in hand, you have to start worrying about what Eircom
/doesn't/ give you with the wholesale bitstream offering. For each line
hooked up, they'll charge you 350 euro up front. They charge effectively
49 euro a month for a 512k line, 79 euro for a 1Mbit line (it's not
priced quite like that but that's what it works out as so long as you
have all your ports full). Those euros don't get you an internet
connection, as you would expect from BT's wholesale DSL. They only get
you a bitstream link to one of Eircom's "Concentration Camps" each of
which have maybe a dozen exchanges connected to them. It's your
responsibility to run some sort of link into the concentration camp.
It's your responsibility to organize peering, tech support, and any of
the other goodies.
Oh, one other thing. For every allocation of 24 1Mbit ports, Eircom give
you a 1Mbit link back to the concentration point. No more.
All prices are excluding VAT of course.
You might be better off looking at a fully unbundled local loop. It's
still horribly expensive but at least you're in control of the situation
and you can run 2Mbit DSL or long-reach IDSL/RADSL if you have the kit
to do it.
Paul.
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