From: Colm Buckley (colm at domain tuatha.org)
Date: Tue 09 Jul 2002 - 12:14:49 IST
On Tue 09 Jul 2002 10:24, Brian O'Donoghue wrote:
> [> Question: has anyone got the bynari sweetness working on Slackware
> 8.0.. if
>
> > so endow such elder knowledge asap.
>
> Can't help you there. It might help if you posted details of
> whatever difficulties you've encountered.]
Brian, first of all, can you please get a mail client with a sensible
quoting style? Whatever you're using, combined with your manual
efforts, makes sorting out who said what very difficult. Normal
quoting style is to prefix "> " to all lines written by the person
you're replying to, ">> " to all quoted quotes, and so on. Even
Outlook's "include the whole message at the end" is better than this.
Most email clients do this automatically; what are you actually using?
Here's what it should look like:
>>> Question: has anyone got the bynari sweetness working on Slackware
>>> 8.0... if so endow such elder knowledge asap.
>> Can't help you there. It might help if you posted details of
>> whatever difficulties you've encountered.]
> Well when I was installing it I found that the install was replacing
> some of the binaries in /usr/apache/bin to do with creating
> 'encrypted I think' passwords... and the version of libcrypt on the
> Slackware system was causing a problem with whatever version of the
> password creation utils the mail server install was attempting to
> install.... so I copied the binaries during the install from an
> alternate location on my hdd... ie once the utils had been replaced
> in the apache dir... but the install script was still asking me
> questions... I recopied the correct version of the password utils
> into the apache directory thus side stepping the whole issue of
> libcrypt... I think... and yes I have verified that I am not running
> any other services that might conflict with the mailserver...
> But when I issue the command mailserver start... I get
> Bynari Mail Server: Starting XX.....start command failed. /And no
> obvious way of finding out why... scratches head
[What is with all the ellipses? Are you using them to indicate pauses
for dramatic tension or something?]
Anyway.
This is a classic "fucked-up system". I don't know whether it's
something inherent to Slackware, or just the result of inexperienced
administration, but this is the typical outcome of many undirected
changes to a system's configuration. Linux is extremely forgiving and
will keep running even when almost everything is badly configured, but
there are limits to how far this will get you.
Chasing down conflicts in the manner (I think) you are describing is
highly error-prone and leads to an unsustainable mess of partially-
overwritten packages and a dependency hell more appropriate to Windows
98.
I suggest a system with proper package and dependency management.
Debian is my favourite, but almost all of the modern Linux
distributions can manage this sort of thing.
I also sense a certain amount of adhocracy in your system
administration approach; discipline is vitally important in system
maintenance; especially if you have more than one system to manage.
Never make a change you can't undo. Never make a change you don't
understand. Try not to mess too much with the policy set by the
package maintainers.
Anyway, as I mentioned earlier, there should be no real need for
Bynari on this system; all of its functionality can be implemented
using Cyrus imapd and OpenLDAP. If all you need is webmail, put up
Horde/IMP or Squirrelmail on top of Cyrus. Very simple.
Colm
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