From: John P. Looney (valen at domain tuatha.org)
Date: Tue 09 Jul 2002 - 14:30:29 IST
On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 02:18:38PM +0100, Brian O'Donoghue mentioned:
> Yeah here's the flaw... when you were sysadmining I was nine years old.. hey
> good for you , but guess what I used to be a Gateway Tech... a good one..
> and contrary to popular belief we didn't get paid for nothing.... and I
> would like to think that if I'm capable of adding a device string to an inf
> file off my own bat and getting a winmodem working that I have at least the
> cursory requisite skills to make a system from the ground up.
You can't know man, you just weren't there...
Stop it Brian. Colm was just pointing out that you are childish and
silly, and we all laugh at you behind your back. It's just that he's much
nicer than me.
For those that *weren't*, I did five months tech support in gateway. Most
of the techs new less than the customers. And considering the customers
were home owners...that's no small things.
Knowing that you did unspeakable things to device strings has very very
little to do with the fact that your manner and ettiquette have come to
mean that we think you are a complete plonker. Orginially, a 14 year old
plonker allowed to install linux on a machine in his daddy's work, but
apparently you are postpubescent, despite all evidence to the contrary.
> driver issues.. plus I don't really see how this fact pertains nor equates
> with your assertion that I'm incompetent, so no sorry I have a significant
> divergence of opinion with you on this one.
That's cool. But I'm with Colm; you do seem to be incompetent.
> Sorry... make a clear an unambiguous rule that people can read to and
> evaluate 'BEFORE' signing up to the ILUG, instead of awaiting what you
> consider infraction to make some sort of self ingratiating point.
Er, the link is right there beside the "subscribe" link. As was pointed
out, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law.
> Either make a rule or don't, but don't half make a rule, because that's
> ambiguous and pointless, don't get me wrong the list is great, but if you're
> gonna have a rule, then have a rule... don't have a half rule...
I'm all for having a rule *just for you*, and half a rule for everyone
else that can take a guideline or a request on board without an oral (or
manual?) version of the red curry scutters. Can we put that into the ILUG
constitution ? Yes committee, I'm quite serious.
> No offence but, you see how power corrupts and absolute power corrupts
> absolutely... hey colm.. do you honestly think that I need to listen to this
> from you? Come on down off of your mailing list perch and join us in the
> real world.
You need to listen to someone, or some day you'll show that attitude to
someone in person, and get slapped six ways from sunday. I'm sure I'll
think of you when I'm on the field in Tewksbury this weekend, facing a
thousand english, just looking to get their asses kicked.
> But in reality systems with all the bells and whistles of distrobutions like
> Red Hat are needlessly bloated... for example using Mandrake a Red hat clone
> for example... it runs various hardware detection tools on boot... now
> honestly any techie worth his salt already knows what hardware he has and
> doesn't need a kludge app to go detecting his hardware... so any competent
> techie can edit a .conf file and load his modules... what I don't need is
> some distrobution trying to hold my hand and find hardware I am perfectly
> capable of telling it it has... I mean come on
It's there to save you time. you can still do it yourself if you want to.
However, a sysadmin's time is usually worth about ¤50 an hour. If I was
paying admins, I'd give them a formal warning about doing stupid stuff
like manually setting up a desktop etc. when there were plenty of
automated systems for doing it already.
You can get redhat to install onto a 32Mb filesystem - it's not bloated
if you don't want it to be
You can enter in any amount of detailed and redundant hardware
information you want, and it'll take it on board
Using slackware doesn't mean your intelligent. It means you possibly a
stupid timewaster, certainly a show off, and in my opinion, living in
the past. Slackware and its ilk are dying operating systems. We should
let them pass.
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