From: Brian O'Donoghue (Brian.ODonoghue at domain kbs.ie)
Date: Tue 09 Jul 2002 - 16:34:12 IST
Hmm that said.
The 'security guy' who came in to inspect our 'security issues' pronounced
my firewalling and mail server security... to be perfect... especially as I
drop connections instead of resetting them... and only found fault in the
server and client software I don't have responsibility for...
so even though I'm one of the unwashed developer/sysadmin types as opposed
to sysadmin/developer... I seem capable of building a decent firewall.
[As Kate has pointed out, not all of us
ex-employees have such a high opinion of the staff there as you
seem to. However, really this isn't relevent, nobody's questioning
whether you have written programs or installed drivers. Nobody
doubts that modifying files has worked for you in the past. Many of
us don't doubt this because we have done the same in the past.]
What no most were muppets... but I did learn a hell of alot about hardware
and operating systems... most of the reps had the knowledge to fix the
systems they were presented with... but the management ran an unofficial
policy that after 15 minutes a call had gone on too long and a machine
should be formatted.... which fortunately I did not have to do for various
reasons... most of those reasons centered around actually doing the job and
actually fixing the system if I could... but I will be the first to admit
that losts of people were more than prepared to format a system because it
was Tuesday... and on Tuesdays... they liked to format end users... <shrug>
[Nobody was saying that you didn't have the ability to do things manually
we were just pointing out that if you want to maintain a production
system you should probably not try to do everything by hand as
it'll lead to a nightmare of a system later on.]
But if we use this as a premis... Debian is NOT a shining example of not
editing configuration scripts by hand thus from Colm who proports to use
Debian... this is much like the pot and the kettle... compare Debian 2.2_r2
and Slackware 7.1 for editing configuration scripts by hand... I think it
may be quite inconvienent for people to find that for example running setup
on S... at least not back in 2.2_r2 and I doubt things have changed 'that
much' since.. and if they have then Debian sounds inconsistent.
[Finally, I beleive that you are alone in thinking Colm should
implement hard and fast rules about how people should quote their
emails. I'd wager that everyone else on the list is quite happy
with the guidelines and gentle nudging system that we use at the
moment.]
http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/spanish/82/fags.gif
I have no problem changing my quoting style, but people sometimes have a
habit of 'asking' in a quite forceful way.. though for a lady I'd do
anything... consider the formatting changed.
Bod
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