From: Smith, Graham - Computing Technician (Graham.Smith at domain it-tallaght.ie)
Date: Wed 18 Sep 2002 - 11:01:03 IST
Well for a company seeking overseas business
something generic is preferable. CNO websites
tend to be not be seen as any place geographically
other than on the net.
Aside of the automatic resolving of names to .com
addresses in browsers, its also a case of companies
that wish to be seen as global rather than Irish.
Ryanair is one such example. Michael O'Leary says he
considers Ryanair as European first and Irish second.
One of the reasons I would choose a .ie (given all things
equal) would be if my website targets an Irish audience
or sells an especially Irish associate product.
I think the thing that annoys most people with IEDR is
the hypocrisy of policies. One time I was creating
a website for a Karting company. IEDR wouldn't
let us register karting.ie because it was seen as a generic
name and they didn't want it to be used by a specific
company. Ok fair enough some might say. But at the
same time there were other companies who had been
let contradict that rule and register generic names.
I wonder did they come up with a typically Irish solution
to such problems - By using the fat brown envelope
method of persuasion?
G.
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Graham Smith,
Network Administrator,
Department of Computing,
Institute of Technology,
Tallaght, Dublin 24
Phone: + 353 (01) 4042840
-----Original Message-----
From: John McCormac [mailto:jmcc at domain hackwatch.com]
Sent: 17 September 2002 22:15
To: Darragh Rogan
Cc: ilug at domain linux.ie
Subject: Re: [ILUG] RE: [ILUG][OT] IEDR drops linux web hosting
Darragh Rogan wrote:
>
> In fairness - they've limited alot of the crap that's after building up
> around .com. people mightn't value a .com business as much as they value a
> .ie business.
There is even more crap after building up around .ie with rules and
policy being broken to facilitate big customers, strange looking
affiliations and a highly atypical registration/deletion profile for the
cctld. From tracking Irish .com/.net/.org (CNO) usage as part of
WhoisIreland.com, it would appear that Irish CNO ownership is in a far
healthier position. Indeed people and businesses tend to go for a CNO
domain because it is cheaper and they do not have to jump through rings
and hoops while dealing with IEDR.
Tonight stats from Whoisireland.com show:
Number Of .ie Domains In Database:30730
Domains With Valid SOA:28487
Dead Domains: (No SOA):2243
Deleted Domains: 225
The Dead domains effectively no longer exist on the internet. While they
are in the .ie zonefile, the record has been deleted from the
authorative nameservers.
Taking the .ie websites:
Estimate Of Live .ie Websites: 13147
Number of Websites: 22304 (www.$domname.ie found)
Active Websites: 19230 (www.$domname.ie actually resolves)
.ie Websites: 17342 (HTTP results 200)
Forwarding Websites:1885 (HTTP 30n)
Inaccessible Websites:885 (HTTP 400-599)
Based on sites with Last-Modified data:
Websites Last Updated 2002: 7847
Websites Last Updated 2001: 3341
Websites Last Updated 2000: 1239
Websites Last Updated 1999: 267
Websites Last Updated 1998: 52
The wholesale carnage that the CNO domains experienced earlier this year
did not even make a dent in the ebb and flow of .ie registrations. On
any given month, between 300 and 900 Irish owned CNO domains are
deleted. New registrations can vary from 500 tp 1500. Since December
2001, only 138 or so .ie domains have been deleted. It just does not
make sense.
IEDR and its management have propagated a lot of rubbish about the value
of a .ie domain name. Realistically, all they were trying to do was
offer a poor rationalisation of IEDR's rip-off prices. If .ie is so good
then why do most high profile companies advertise their .com address -
Aer Lingus, Ryanair etc.
At the moment, the biggest players in .ie name registrations are the
ISPs. A few larger hosters have 500+ .ie domains but it is nowhere like
the level playing field of CNO. Apparently, the discount break for .ie
is now being upped from 10 to 50 domains (though I have yet to confirm
this). Putting this in perspective, you can get just over 100 CNO
domains registered for the price of 9 .ie (125 * 9) domains. Now the
management of IEDR, in what appears to be a desperate bid to raise
money, seem to want to make .ie even less relevant. (125* e49 = e6125 or
about 500 CNO domains.) Can you seriously say that the .ie cctld is
relevant while these characters in IEDR management sell it down the
river?
I think that Netscape and Internet Explorer have .com as a default
extension when you type a domain into the location bar. The relevance of
.ie in a global economy is akin to the lack of broadband here. IEDR has
run the .ie cctld into the ground. I just hope it does not turn out to
be an Irish dot.bomb tragedy.
Regards...jmcc
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